From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Return-Path: <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143])
	(using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
	(Client did not present a certificate)
	by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 215D321F260
	for <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:57:39 -0800 (PST)
Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501)
	id 54A96A3; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:57:37 +0100 (CET)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail;
	t=1424955457; bh=xqjeSvPbiVRHnG1BlPVwjStIRr4xL/Y9kLejKFNqb+k=;
	h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From;
	b=zpFUX1oP6OaGv/EdeDmISzZ2EKnQGGgTNpkhEfe+WZuodXvfuUPh8PHWZFNyd4p3n
	wI/+1KkdmjhQL/RAcIFQ1PN+DNpGWr9kBucDUvUErOkHokX0DWGWPC6qrCK14wBKIT
	cUc9T7O3DCWaMi2Q8wzK77MxMynrkGr/ImY6hBNI=
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7AAA2;
	Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:57:37 +0100 (CET)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:57:37 +0100 (CET)
From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN <luca.muscariello@orange.com>
In-Reply-To: <54EF02F0.1050607@orange.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1502261355460.4007@uplift.swm.pp.se>
References: <CADnS-2hPmb3zt6GvdbZjDuM10VgN5yvMrxigUL5Z_-nA-dOyjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1502250737150.4007@uplift.swm.pp.se>
	<201502250806.t1P86o5N011632@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk>
	<mck1t7$ies$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<FC82EEB0-5E7E-473F-B9B3-2BFEC06C7689@ifi.uio.no>
	<4A80D1F9-F4A1-4D14-AC75-958C5A2E8168@gmx.de>
	<3F47B274-B0E4-44F2-A434-E3C9F7D5D041@ifi.uio.no>
	<87twyaffv3.fsf@toke.dk>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1502251138490.4007@uplift.swm.pp.se>
	<87pp8yfe0s.fsf@toke.dk>
	<AE7F97DB5FEE054088D82E836BD15BE931949DF0@xmb-aln-x05.cisco.com>
	<54EEE0D2.1060606@orange.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1502261136250.4007@uplift.swm.pp.se>
	<54EF02F0.1050607@orange.com>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14)
Organization: People's Front Against WWW
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Cc: "bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] RED against bufferbloat
X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13
Precedence: list
List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat <bloat.lists.bufferbloat.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.bufferbloat.net/options/bloat>,
	<mailto:bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/bloat>
List-Post: <mailto:bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
List-Help: <mailto:bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat>,
	<mailto:bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:58:08 -0000

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN wrote:

>> Also possibly that the whole SDN movement means hardware will get 
>> standardized APIs so in case there is hardware acceleration on the CPE, 
>> this can be handled by any kernel and not just the kernel that the vendor 
>> has modified to work with their special hardware.
>
> I don't  how SDN would help for queuing.

I never said it would. I said that the SDN movement might give 
standardized APIs into what the forwarding hardware does, including 
packet treatment such as queuing behaviour. It might also mean that if 
someone implemented a certain queuing behaviour and this ended up defined 
by the API description, more vendors might implement the same thing.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se