From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC83F21F24D for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7D932A3; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:18:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1424960324; bh=XmCjZPBtv4FBnViajnNVMEEGC3sFuDY/UnTb1KGJP1U=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=FvJnVj2xvyFB4MbAqzytla4HqvYTH3ympBrDJhMvgUYl6BE8g9nmY+4O4/diSE61F wahb6izaKACbMkvS3l4t5aVnUmtZUHoUHA8yMhC/hLVhOsgDAaf0V/qixc+wsLgzwD IZv25vjAGwOsj6MbMaLbkyKct7oTaZURut5d0e9w= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7242EA2; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:18:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:18:44 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN In-Reply-To: <54EF2877.8030302@orange.com> Message-ID: References: <201502250806.t1P86o5N011632@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> <4A80D1F9-F4A1-4D14-AC75-958C5A2E8168@gmx.de> <3F47B274-B0E4-44F2-A434-E3C9F7D5D041@ifi.uio.no> <87twyaffv3.fsf@toke.dk> <1D438EDC-358D-4DD5-9B8D-89182256F66C@gmx.de> <54EDD951.50904@orange.com> <54EE07C0.60703@orange.com> <54EF2877.8030302@orange.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Bloat] RED against bufferbloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:19:16 -0000 On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN wrote: > Done with the vendor itself with related NDA etc. It takes longer to set > the agreement than coding the system. The problem is that this process > is not ok. An ISP cannot maintain someone else product if it is closed. Do you have a requirement document that makes sense to the people programming these ASICs for vendors? When I try to explain what needs to be done I usually run into very frustrating discussions. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se