From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:42:47 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1504280840260.8655@nftneq.ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k2wwu0l8.fsf@toke.dk>
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> David Lang <david@lang.hm> writes:
>
>> Voice is actually remarkably tolerant of pure latency. While 60ms of
>> jitter makes a connection almost unusalbe, a few hundred ms of
>> consistant latency isn't a problem. IIRC (from my college days when
>> ATM was the new, hot technology) you have to get up to around a second
>> of latency before pure-consistant latency starts to break things.
>
> Well isn't that more a case of "the human brain will compensate for the
> latency". Sure, you *can* talk to someone with half a second of delay,
> but it's bloody *annoying*. :P
we aren't disagreeing here. "a few hundred ms of consistant latency" is starts
to top out around the half second range.
But if we are labeling something "VoIP breaks here", then it needs to be broken,
not just annoying to some peopel.
David Lang
> That, for me, is the main reason to go with lower figures. I don't want
> to just be able to physically talk with someone without the codec
> breaking, I want to be able to *enjoy* the experience and not be totally
> exhausted by latency fatigue afterwards.
>
> One of the things that really struck a chord with me was hearing the
> people from the LoLa project
> (http://www.conservatorio.trieste.it/artistica/ricerca/progetto-lola-low-latency/lola-case-study.pdf)
> talk about how using their big fancy concert video conferencing system
> to just talk to each other, it was like having a real face-to-face
> conversation with none of the annoyances of regular video chat.
>
> -Toke
>
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2015-04-19 5:26 jb
2015-04-19 7:36 ` David Lang
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2015-04-19 9:33 ` jb
2015-04-19 10:45 ` David Lang
2015-04-19 8:28 ` Alex Burr
2015-04-19 10:20 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 10:46 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 16:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 17:41 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 19:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 20:53 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 2:56 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-21 4:15 ` jb
2015-04-21 4:47 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 7:35 ` jb
2015-04-21 9:14 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-21 14:20 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:25 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:28 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 22:13 ` jb
2015-04-21 22:39 ` Aaron Wood
2015-04-21 23:17 ` jb
2015-04-22 2:14 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 2:56 ` jb
2015-04-22 14:32 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 17:35 ` David Lang
2015-04-23 1:37 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 16:54 ` David Lang
2015-04-24 17:00 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-21 9:37 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 10:35 ` jb
2015-04-22 4:04 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 4:28 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 8:51 ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 12:02 ` jb
2015-04-22 13:08 ` Jonathan Morton
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2015-04-22 14:15 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 13:50 ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 14:09 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 15:26 ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 15:44 ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 16:35 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 17:24 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 17:28 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:45 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
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2015-04-23 6:48 ` Eric Dumazet
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2015-04-23 10:08 ` jb
2015-04-24 8:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24 8:29 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 8:55 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24 9:02 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 13:32 ` jb
2015-04-24 13:58 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 16:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-25 3:15 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25 4:04 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-25 4:26 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25 6:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-27 16:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 7:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 8:01 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 8:19 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-28 15:42 ` David Lang [this message]
2015-04-28 8:38 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:09 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-28 15:26 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 15:39 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 11:04 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 11:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 13:44 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 19:09 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-28 14:06 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 14:02 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-06 5:08 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-06 8:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 15:30 ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-06 18:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 20:25 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-06 20:43 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-05-07 7:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 4:29 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 7:08 ` jb
2015-05-07 7:18 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-07 7:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 7:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2015-05-07 10:44 ` jb
2015-05-07 11:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 11:44 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:10 ` Jim Gettys
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2015-05-07 13:14 ` jb
2015-05-07 13:26 ` Neil Davies
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2015-05-07 22:27 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 22:45 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 23:09 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08 2:05 ` jb
2015-05-08 4:16 ` David Lang
2015-05-08 3:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-05-08 4:20 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08 13:20 ` [Bloat] DSLReports Jitter/PDV test Rich Brown
2015-05-08 14:22 ` jb
2015-05-07 7:37 ` [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 7:19 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 6:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-25 3:23 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 15:20 ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
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2015-04-23 15:52 ` Jonathan Morton
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2015-04-23 13:17 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 18:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 18:39 ` [Bloat] Pacing --- was " MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
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2015-04-22 15:59 ` [Bloat] RE : " Steinar H. Gunderson
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2015-04-22 17:15 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-19 12:14 ` [Bloat] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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2015-04-24 4:24 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 17:45 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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2015-04-19 19:15 ` Jonathan Morton
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2015-04-19 21:57 ` Rich Brown
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