From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60F8221F765 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 428C2A1; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:52:57 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1438231977; bh=Y15FmblZxfFSIYA6kWVPmviOuhWyKXDtzkxil788D0I=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=vofvdIDTtraNeWqUuBW71CO9W8k5vERPrAs76BpD1bElAcipOvRdOu0gSZO+FaBo0 qgd4VL3pl963hbu4JCidyePA2J7kcJa+27Kd4ceP/07ITv3b4qOxnYmYjYFJmyOrKM Z1xP1b6p04mtEF7RPWvMaq7HFV8L3B2kGKNCbh2M= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391349F; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:52:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: David Lang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <55B92BF3.2000607@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Speed tests - attribution of latency to relevant network hops X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:53:29 -0000 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, David Lang wrote: > unless you measure it per hop, how are you going to attribute it to each > hop? and unless you have a server at that layer to talk to, how do you > know what the latency or bandwidth is? Measuring latency is doable (using the same mechanism that traceroute with for instance max-ttl 5), but I don't know how much of this is available to your web application? If you sent 5 packets with TTL 1-5 and measured the time to get back the ttl-expired-in-transit ICMP, you could get an indication where the latency increase was happening. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se