From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D61321FD47 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 07:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id C29A7A1; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 16:28:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1438957729; bh=OnE54Lcx9Jd/3FZhyn16kfVcE+ptL3PCsxulBZ47Tbo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=tIengemZYBL60AHLQWDysgpvNVeSt1GtUcM+b5BpT4XbrXS9DLpc3ybdRcrh+2FSO s5+CwIHbQRicT/baj7+LEAAqQNom/7YkHAAI8rFfLZKpZJlRhLqNtALVZEGCrGEkuN sVdxV6hhvT94tFrWok/s7V5xFavCMAbBsVUCFicA= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABBA9F; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 16:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 16:28:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "Steinar H. Gunderson" In-Reply-To: <20150807142337.GA22258@sesse.net> Message-ID: References: <4EDA85BE-CD86-4DA9-8ED5-78500E858F79@baylink.com> <20150807142337.GA22258@sesse.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-584295453-1438957729=:11810" Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fwd: Did *bufferbloat* cause the 2010 flashcrash? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:29:21 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-584295453-1438957729=:11810 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > [1] For the purposes of the question, the “BitTorrent problem” is when > you and I are on the same network, and your 200+ BitTorrent upload > sessions makes it impossible for me to upload my single cat video to > YouTube. Isn't this dependent on the upload speed? I would imagine that if it's 5-10 megabit/s, then using Codel or similar technique that doesn't allow the buffer to grow to hundreds of milliseconds, would improve things a lot? For a 500 kilobit/s link, I'm not sure even that would work...? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-584295453-1438957729=:11810--