From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06DB121F6FF; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 01:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 584BCA1; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 10:22:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1441700566; bh=XKjd4DyVBKMg+hWxaLol0UcwQvzlBJa0RiJ8RfbDfr4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=gTiSo7QnBR99zdlDj5958lAyPr2S5RRNgs1F5t6tSXRYVBLSZy0ltgYkqBF4B2BNY 2b4ZiBS86Yb/qK/x0tBoZ0dfUzaY1Jj7TmTcWYZ7eSOWQYuSTZy0zepytsqQi2ybOi DmVcXtClfxrGrpkagHnt4y+G300s2wA1v6yyQtT0= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC139F; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 10:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 10:22:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3622_1441530152_55EC0128_3622_12857_1_trq0v99audwl95cwathr8odm.1441530143942@email.android.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" , cerowrt-devel , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] RE : Save WiFi from the FCC - DEADLINE is in 3 days *September* 8 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:23:12 -0000 On Tue, 8 Sep 2015, Dave Taht wrote: > wifi, and the carriers... which bugs me. 5.x ghz is the people's > spectrum, that we should be free to use any way we want... and to make Well, in the US at least, corporations are people, so... But that aside, I don't know if there is anything that can be done really, unlicensed is unlicensed and if it's not free for everybody to use, what is it? Also, isn't it pretty much the same players in wifi and LTE space, Qualcomm, Broadcom and the others, they're in both spaces and I don't see what they have to gain to make wifi worse? And 802.11 isn't really open either, and the unlicensed spectrum still requires that devices are approved to be operated there, right, so if FCC and the likes do their job properly then these technologies should work together at least on the RF level? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se