From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB9493B25E for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1611DA3; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:17:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1477599468; bh=udZsm+tvptvpoRrWzGrdk4/Cb4AXPaclEcHWfG0Kk7s=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=gu9RLAFdGF9nX18oXsmMWpuMFPzukiM+2O8epJMNO2fvTxRZ4VrsFD53N99ycO7wi 9SQxdb9oCK7iLLwW9zloOJHmm66FyAw1z9b5LiWf29tMUlROjMzxXQnxZY/OrQPMlf owtaZEFuH/kGjPzp45p4/8jK2EMyaGaT7/cbTmpw= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D79EA2; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:17:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jonas_M=E5rtensson?= , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5a2d4224-3f4e-80f0-3b0b-b2fbbdd59697@gmail.com> <77a4abf0-bc94-0d2e-eebe-d72e2e676255@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:17:50 -0000 On Thu, 27 Oct 2016, Dave Taht wrote: > interactive, once basic bandwidth needs are slaked, which starts to > happen once you crack the largest typical load (which these days is 4k > video streaming). > > gbit fiber is *way* on the unneeded side of the demand curve for home users. I can make up credible scenarios where a home with 4-5 people would need 200-300 megabit/s of reliably available bandwidth, plus downloading something large, then you can make use of a gig. So not "way" unneeded. I do have problems coming up with scenarios where you need more than a gig. > which kind of points out that you need business users to use it all up. Business users actually use *less* bw than residential. People typically don't watch 4k video streams at work. Btw, what does that report say? I don't want to spend money on it. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se