From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A50673B2A2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id EF659A7; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:31:38 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1479922298; bh=rQKhzhvnkuXhfO3Zu6MeSnxVKoQBUIfvOqDri2PRwlY=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=vLIFsaHE43AdWcpRVcTBu4XV1Ui9JHJ5S78vGz5D2TvZk/hGqvvGmgJ7MWklu/I/9 5XkJSUSYqXbyQZFxwtO/tmDap5Ox51NyroT0q18qL748nSKRgHFGxFgh9pSnzLAmM+ UR3BqG/K71P675JU8iUW86BghifI330Ve9b+/M2U= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75C7A6; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:31:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:31:38 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Benjamin Cronce cc: bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8d72490d-551a-c58f-991a-1750e9af8df9@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:31:40 -0000 On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote: > If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro based > bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and it > applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up > awareness. A good channel for awareness would be getting in contact with > popular Twitch or YouTube gaming streamers. But I wouldn't put much > effort into driving up awareness until there is a device that people can > easily acquire, use, and afford. At first I was thinking of telling > people to use *-WRT supporting routers, but changing the firmware on > your router requires too much research, and many people care about > bleeding edge features. You need something that works in tangent with > whatever they are using. If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you set your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then you're still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution. I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" is above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working solution for someone with that kind of skillset. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se