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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Kathleen Nichols <nichols@pollere.com>
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:47:57 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1611271845460.9341@nftneq.ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <65cde0ee-4cc8-22c8-5274-a4eafe9cf338@pollere.com>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Kathleen Nichols wrote:

>>> Most of the suggestions in this thread deal with Getting the Word
>>> Out. That's good - that's the declaring victory part. The bad news
>>> is that this is not our collective skill set.
>
> So that's the hard part. Who do you need to Get the Word Out to and what
> do you expect them to do? It sounds like there are some edge router
> improvements coming. It's possible that some companies are using the
> work but they are advertising what it does for the customer not where it
> came from or what it is technically. So that might be a victory.

I think the biggest thing that's needed in terms of getting the word out is to 
have something that is recognized as being orders of magnatude better than 
what's out there, even if not perfect, and agree not to talk it down because you 
are working on something that may be better.

If there's ever a case of 'perfect being the enemy of good enough', it's the 
development here.

David Lang

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-28  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.454.1479929363.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-26 15:33 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-27  1:53   ` Aaron Wood
2016-11-27  6:10     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:11     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28  2:16       ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28  6:00         ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48           ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35                 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07                     ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02                       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52                     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14             ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10           ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:47       ` David Lang [this message]
     [not found] <mailman.447.1479909940.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-23 18:16 ` [Bloat] fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 19:15       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-22 15:32 Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38     ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23  8:28     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59       ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31         ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05           ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27             ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50                 ` Noah Causin
2016-11-23 17:56                   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05                     ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 19:42                           ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20                             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54                 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:09                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 18:24                       ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17                   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht

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