From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bifrost.lang.hm (lang.hm [66.167.227.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBAC23B2A0 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from asgard.lang.hm (asgard.lang.hm [10.0.0.100]) by bifrost.lang.hm (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id uAS2lv5O011145; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:47:57 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Kathleen Nichols cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <65cde0ee-4cc8-22c8-5274-a4eafe9cf338@pollere.com> Message-ID: References: <548F6875-8670-4784-8A4D-9D4E6F0F20BD@gmail.com> <65cde0ee-4cc8-22c8-5274-a4eafe9cf338@pollere.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:48:00 -0000 On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Kathleen Nichols wrote: >>> Most of the suggestions in this thread deal with Getting the Word >>> Out. That's good - that's the declaring victory part. The bad news >>> is that this is not our collective skill set. > > So that's the hard part. Who do you need to Get the Word Out to and what > do you expect them to do? It sounds like there are some edge router > improvements coming. It's possible that some companies are using the > work but they are advertising what it does for the customer not where it > came from or what it is technically. So that might be a victory. I think the biggest thing that's needed in terms of getting the word out is to have something that is recognized as being orders of magnatude better than what's out there, even if not perfect, and agree not to talk it down because you are working on something that may be better. If there's ever a case of 'perfect being the enemy of good enough', it's the development here. David Lang