From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB6B43BA8E for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 23643B2; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:31:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1511965890; bh=n9RYZFOmkFH1SLCgbEtOvEEI84xiHBTd7ihMBg3xnRo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=rZBKIyq+RUDR+StrDKRqH9hplJ093FoGdT2wDtmbQ29lRLP2fkeUs2v6g3yEEZgJ0 OmXdnVAmVoE4gr8LhMUsovyQlhAH0N4Dy1RKLf56OBqmMq0ojr6nrFslCIwnb6lq0q cXB36K/mauL+RZ9YJoZ+qSLvcbslYt8Ks07WAKhs= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9E5B1; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:31:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:31:30 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Luca Muscariello cc: Sebastian Moeller , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4D0E907C-E15D-437C-B6F7-FF348346D615@gmx.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] benefits of ack filtering X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:31:31 -0000 On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Luca Muscariello wrote: >> Why does it say to do this? What benefit is there to either end system to >> send 35kPPS of ACKs in order to facilitate a 100 megabyte/s of TCP transfer? > > Did you check RFC 3449 ? > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3449#section-5.2.1 RFC3449 is all about middleboxes doing things. I wanted to understand why TCP implementations find it necessary to send one ACK per 2xMSS at really high PPS. Especially when NIC offloads and middleboxes frequently strip out this information anyway so it never reaches the IP stack (right?). -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se