From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB573B2A4; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 59659B0; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:18:49 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1512382729; bh=EIO0vRaA8IKN59O4LLav/UcRwzdKwGAw9Wsv+mmQ8Qc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=DY7dy8+Nqk0wO2FK0er1gK3+PXcYTG7QQk6fJnwtDmFaTdvmcxcKQuRwHdvtW50Dx +KXuHxWjpUKIEQijOHQAJp6yKUWxKkmf88m0WxvFTWpr6AJs7qm7HL12C0PsYSoK8Q LytUGhEf9FEzbuobZg5N3ukaKBROC/yVx2hE0GJY= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571FDAF; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:18:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:18:49 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: =?UTF-8?Q?Joel_Wir=C4=81mu_Pauling?= cc: Dave Taht , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <92906bd8-7bad-945d-83c8-a2f9598aac2c@lackof.org> <87bmjff7l6.fsf_-_@nemesis.taht.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="-137064504-1912835318-1512382729=:8884" Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:18:51 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-1912835318-1512382729=:8884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But I > refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A > depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase > distribution circuit. That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near 5-10 years. > This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what the > market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable > service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial > access networks. Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter. Sounds to me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the 2-3 gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I typically see on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual subscriptions are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the entire solution can deliver). > The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post > Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT point > in the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can > deliver Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it, > and right now there isn't a good technology platform that supports it; > 10GBase-X/10GBaseT is a non-starter due to the variability in home > wiring - arguably the 7 year leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a > gap of 12 years and counting for the same.. it's not just the NIC's and > CPU's in the gateways it's the connector and in-home wiring problems as > well. As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide use in home/SME in the next 5 years. > Blatant Plug - request : > I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very > topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home' > https://linux.conf.au/ at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you > have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be > happy for me to include in my talk, please include. I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE 24port managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price jumps up a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even though they're not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE, but I guess I'm an outlier. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-1912835318-1512382729=:8884--