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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Matthias Tafelmeier <matthias.tafelmeier@gmx.net>
Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] DC behaviors today
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:50:10 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1712180848460.8884@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ee44b12-1247-1830-0388-63a4c74fb6d2@gmx.net>

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017, Matthias Tafelmeier wrote:

> What I actually wanted to posit in relation to that is that one could 
> get sooner a c-cabable backbone sibling by marrying two ideas: the 
> airborne concept ongoing as outlined plus what NASA is planning to bring 
> about for the space backbone, e.g [1][2]. It's laser based instead of 
> directed radio-wave only. Sure, both is in the speed range of c, 
> apparantely, laser transmission has in addition a significantly higher 
> bandwidth to offer. "10 to 100 times as much data at a time as 
> radio-frequency systems"[3]. Attenuations to photons in clean 
> atmospheric air are neglible (few mps - refractive index of about 
> 1.0003), so actually a neglible slowdown - easily competing with top 
> notch fibres (99.7% the vacuum speed of light). Sure, that's the ideal 
> case, though, if cleverly done from the procurement of platforms and 
> overall system steering perspective, might feasible.

Todays laser links are in the few km per hop range, with is easily at 
least one magnitude shorter than radio based equivalents.

I don't know the physics behind it, but people who have better insight 
than I do tell me "it's hard" to run longer hops (if one wants any kind of 
high bitrate).

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-18  7:50 UTC|newest]

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2017-12-04  4:19       ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2017-12-04  9:13         ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04  9:31           ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:18             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:27               ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:43                 ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:47                   ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 10:57                     ` Pedro Tumusok
2017-12-04 10:59                       ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:44                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 19:59                         ` dpreed
2017-12-04 20:29                           ` David Collier-Brown
2017-12-08  7:05                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-12 15:09                             ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-12 18:36                               ` Dave Taht
2017-12-12 22:53                                 ` dpreed
2017-12-12 23:20                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 10:20                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-13 10:45                                   ` Luca Muscariello
2017-12-13 15:26                                   ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 16:41                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-13 18:08                                       ` dpreed
2017-12-13 19:55                                         ` Neil Davies
2017-12-13 21:06                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2017-12-14  8:22                                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 21:37                                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2017-12-18  8:11                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-17 11:52                                 ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-18  7:50                                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2017-12-19 17:55                                     ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2017-12-27 15:15                                       ` Matthias Tafelmeier
2018-01-20 11:55                                 ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-04 12:41                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-12-04 10:56         ` [Bloat] Linux network is damn fast, need more use XDP (Was: DC behaviors today) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:00           ` Dave Taht
2017-12-04 20:49             ` Joel Wirāmu Pauling
2017-12-07  8:43             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-07  8:49             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-12-04 17:19           ` Matthias Tafelmeier

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