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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no>
Cc: Jesper Louis Andersen <jesper.louis.andersen@gmail.com>,
	 Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>,
	 bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 09:01:09 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1804040857200.18650@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0ED5B59A-5C31-4F70-A2C9-04D9EA779A7B@ifi.uio.no>

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On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Michael Welzl wrote:

> Sure, when you’re in control of both ends of a connection, you can build 
> whatever you want on top of UDP - but there’s a lot of wheel 
> re-inventing there. Really, the transport layer can’t change as long as 
> applications (or their libraries) are exposed to only the services of 
> TCP and UDP, and thereby statically bound to these transport protocols.

I'm aware of TAPS and I have been trying to gather support for this kind 
of effort for years now, and I'm happy to see there is movement. I have 
also heard encouraging talk from several entities interested in actually 
doing serious work in this area, including some opensourcing part of their 
now non-FOSS code-base as part of that work.

So we need applications to be able to get more access to what's going on 
the wire, including access to non-TCP/UDP, but also to be able to create 
"pluggable TCP-stacks" so that a host can have several different ones, and 
the user can install new ones even on older operating systems.

With more and more IPv6 around, I hope we'll be able to deploy new 
protocols that are not TCP/UDP (A+P), and that this will bring back some 
innovation in that area.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-04  7:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <tag:www.oreilly.com, 2018-04-02:/ideas/four-short-links-2-april-2018@localhost.localdomain>
2018-04-02 12:46 ` David Collier-Brown
2018-04-03 11:54   ` Jesper Louis Andersen
2018-04-03 12:14     ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-03 12:35       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-04-03 14:27         ` Michael Welzl
2018-04-03 14:48           ` Jesper Louis Andersen
2018-04-03 15:04             ` Jim Gettys
2018-04-04 12:45               ` Jesper Louis Andersen
2018-04-04 13:39                 ` David Collier-Brown
2018-04-03 16:14             ` Michael Welzl
2018-04-04  7:01               ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2018-04-04  7:42               ` Dave Taht
2018-04-04  7:55                 ` Michael Welzl
2018-04-04  8:53                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-04-04  8:52                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-04-04  9:56                   ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-04 10:52                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-04-04 11:06                       ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-05  0:04                         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2018-04-04 19:23                 ` Michael Richardson
2018-04-04 19:38                   ` Michael Welzl
2018-04-05  0:08                     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner

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