From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2043F3B2A4 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 04:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9BE85B1; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 10:52:51 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1522831971; bh=SSCEEFF3ZhkR+YvqWqzDs0wsx1/tXhSOjh+cZePPpq4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hLoUMz8xUsDsbK180+ahKbYWDKtlOERCHOHqYNNb9DNwj+YXHg0fdpN0ZphycUrLJ YvOpDnInG7iUPgbqJ+wY2qJG72NR22FdziN7d8UqJFnoPtoH0d3Te6VV1dl3+DMHcx Tz5IySbAezelsg1YjSncrTkHWn86oaUqa+NoQ/Lg= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BFEB0; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 10:52:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 10:52:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht cc: Michael Welzl , bloat , Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <50e57074-4ca5-59f7-f010-d9b2b845a8a7@rogers.com> <8DE589C3-9537-416D-AC7C-9250464869F9@gmail.com> <0ED5B59A-5C31-4F70-A2C9-04D9EA779A7B@ifi.uio.no> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:52:53 -0000 On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, Dave Taht wrote: > How dead is posix these days? Ietf does not generally do apis well. POSIX nowadays is http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ My take on it is that the IETF should not be scared to do APIs, even though there is a lot of resistance still. However, the IETF should not do POSIX APIs, but instead something of their own. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se