From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B64F3B29E for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2018 03:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id E4E80AF; Fri, 24 Aug 2018 09:00:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1535094056; bh=AU6kazGUDGx5efzjAdghUfaKT129uGoAwAFdoXAN8BM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Awov29T6qkoQ3ihMToFgL65CRba+YbJ5tn03XXUXqpo8slTrEtL99q8KTTprN7tzf 75D2T8dH2AjuKxi2VFWj7zTZXkYLam6nl8eYDOwFekInLt4V3oPlCJRWQij0Ef+0Jd 0Xxel28YpY1GEaHliubKL+98Yn5g9LKFaxVNc8Wc= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22A79F; Fri, 24 Aug 2018 09:00:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 09:00:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht cc: Rosen Penev , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <66e2374b-f998-b132-410e-46c9089bb06b@gmail.com> <360212B1-8411-4ED0-877A-92E59070F518@gmx.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] beating the drum for BQL X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 07:00:58 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Dave Taht wrote: > On the marvell front... yes, they tend to produce hardware that runs too > hot. I too rather like the chipset, and it's become my default hw for > most things in the midrange. I checked my WRT1200AC and it idles at 8W. My similar Broadcom box idles at 10W, but that one has a lot more on the motherboard plus 4x4 wifi that tends to run very hot. I intend to try them under load though and see how much power usage changes. > Lastly... there are still billions of slower ISP links left in the > world to fix, with hardware that now costs well under > 40 bucks. The edgerouter X is 50 bucks (sans wifi) and good to > ~180mbps for inbound shaping presently. Can we get those edge > connections fixed??? There are indeed these kinds of slower devices, but it's also that they tend to be the kind of device that last saw development a few years ago and only reason it's still being new installed is because it's cheap. In most of the world, customers do not rent the CPE so there is no cash flow to the ISP to fix anything. So they tend to sit there until they break. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se