From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E39623B29E for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 486C3AF; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 05:36:38 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1538969798; bh=LQTesQwFKUut1TaBzCXTzlkj+6Yfn+jWC5Q5FexX5IE=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=q2HsjvQYoZ6EKXKgcUizCfIkN407jmBeTKyM2nQmcFAhQmaldGcBnScAuOVI2T+Cf h3vszO26ZaMX8JXimWFDiXkrVGie5yDKQxopAtyfUvEPVUMCoSA8BKkShSi/FrBPvt oEsCRm7qHsgo4B2Ql9Ny9U1lBCMdwq6Qaqu2fCvs= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B599F; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 05:36:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 05:36:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Aaron Wood cc: Dave Taht , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4be3777e-b056-eaea-a06e-34186958c179@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 03:36:40 -0000 On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, Aaron Wood wrote: > Maybe he's on a DOCSIS 3.1 headend that's also using pie? Pie doesn't need > to know the outbound rate, correct? as it's meant to be driven by the > RTS/CTS type behavior that the upstream traffic on cable has (the correct > terms for cable aren't coming to mind at the moment). Correct, PIE acts on the queue just like CODEL. From what I can tell, PIE is a queue discipline that can be implemented on hardware that supports WRED (which most can) with the help of extra software and some CPU cycles to tune it over time. That's why HW manufacturers like PIE. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se