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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
	ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	 bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:07:58 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1903151904260.3161@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw7jvjbZkEgO8xc03uCayo+o-uENxxAkzQOaz_EZSLhocw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019, Dave Taht wrote:

> It appears, also, ironically, (I have confirmation from several sources 
> now) that cake, fq_codel and dualpi are now illegal for an ISP to use in 
> their provided equipment under california law. The idea of one day 
> having to appear in court to defend our key algorithms reminds me of the 
> famous john fogerty case where he demonstrated how blues music was made.

I would love to know more about this. Running an AQM on the customer 
access that doesn't prioritize some specific service should be fine, ie it 
doesn't explicitly do something the *customer* doesn't benefit from.

Net neutrality should be about what the ISP does to benefit itself, not 
what is done on the customer access line (the scheduler per customer) that 
just looks at packet flow characteristics and isn't configured to 
prioritize any specific content (src/destination/port etc).

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-15 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AM0PR07MB48198660539171737E4CCAB1E0730@AM0PR07MB4819.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
     [not found] ` <d91a6a71-5898-9571-2a02-0d9d83839615@bobbriscoe.net>
2019-03-15 10:46   ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2019-03-15 13:01     ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 14:06       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-15 15:52         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 17:01           ` [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] " David P. Reed
2019-03-15 17:45             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 18:36             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-15 19:23               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 19:32               ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 19:44                 ` David P. Reed
2019-03-15 20:13                   ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 23:43                     ` David P. Reed
2019-03-16  1:26                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-16  7:38                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-16 18:56                         ` Michael Richardson
2019-03-15 20:28                 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2019-03-15 20:31                   ` Dave Taht
2019-03-15 23:45                     ` David P. Reed
2019-03-16  9:42                       ` Michael Welzl
2019-03-16 10:08                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-16 10:23                           ` Nils Andreas Svee
2019-03-16 14:55                             ` Jonathan Foulkes
2019-03-16 21:38               ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-16 21:57                 ` Vint Cerf
2019-03-16 22:03                   ` Dave Taht
2019-03-16 22:05                   ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-17 18:07                   ` David P. Reed
2019-03-17 18:05                     ` Vint Cerf
2019-03-19  1:06                     ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-19  3:18                       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-20 19:04                       ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 19:58                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-20 20:05                           ` Holland, Jake
     [not found]                         ` <5C9296E1.4010703@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
2019-03-20 20:00                           ` [Bloat] [tsvwg] " Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 20:05                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 20:55                             ` Greg White
2019-03-20 22:12                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-20 22:31                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 22:56                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-20 23:03                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 23:11                                     ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 23:28                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-21  8:15                                         ` [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-21  8:31                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-20 23:30                                       ` [Bloat] [tsvwg] [Ecn-sane] " Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-21  0:15                                         ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-21  0:41                               ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 21:48                         ` [Bloat] " Greg White
2019-03-20 21:56                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 22:38                           ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 22:56                             ` Greg White
2019-03-20 23:29                         ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-20 23:51                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-21  6:04                             ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-21  7:46                               ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-21  8:02                                 ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-21  8:49                                   ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2019-03-21 13:24                                     ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-22 12:53                                       ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2019-03-25  2:47                                         ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-21  8:45                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-24 20:15                           ` alex.burr
2019-03-25  1:34                             ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-27 17:52                               ` Alex Burr
2019-03-19  4:44                     ` Greg White
2019-03-19  5:35                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-19  5:52                         ` Greg White
2019-03-19  7:10                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-19  8:07                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-19  8:50                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-19 23:59                       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-20 10:17                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-16 22:03                 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-16 22:09                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-17 14:06                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-17 17:37                   ` Loganaden Velvindron
2019-03-17 17:40                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-03-17 17:44                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-17 18:00                       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-17 19:38                     ` Rodney W. Grimes
2019-03-17 20:50                   ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-17 21:51                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-03-18  4:26                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-16  4:04             ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-16  4:51               ` Dave Taht
2019-03-15 18:07         ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2019-03-15 14:27       ` [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 14:44         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 15:49           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 21:34     ` Wesley Eddy
2019-03-22 18:28 [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] " Victor Hou
2019-03-23  8:02 ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23  8:54   ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-23 10:02   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-23 15:03     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-23 19:52       ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23 15:19     ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23 17:16       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-23 19:45         ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23 17:48       ` Michael Welzl
2019-03-23 18:31         ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-23 18:40           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-23 19:11             ` Michael Welzl
2019-03-23 21:04             ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-23 19:55         ` Roland Bless

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