From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E0DF3CB35 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 07071B1; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:34:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1554212069; bh=BEfAj0jeZtRaZp4dVkTwPZOdRvwJHLnQM+LXQu8FUfY=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BYeT9VO3NHKMwI9P9KJuYPL8GuLLXkMYF/KYt7HA2eoEuznUSnSIq4liPY5MLqIHN MRUl9irEdsIf1KKNEGqvOm8KaR6gznLooEEMD6KQLtOVY79FyCYLg8P+evd0QdDrmv B4MUy2D42T6iMnWKJJn1Rw3vJE9D5Eo4DcYIGVDU= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C0CB0; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:34:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Ryan Mounce cc: Sebastian Moeller , Jonathan Foulkes , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] number of home routers with ingress AQM X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:34:30 -0000 On Tue, 2 Apr 2019, Ryan Mounce wrote: > L4S people are concerned by RFC 3168 / "classic" ECN bottlenecks > *without* fq. I don't think there would be any such ingress shapers > configured on home gateways. Certainly not by anyone on this list... > anyone running non-fq codel or flowblind cake for ingress shaping? What you described is probably on 95% or more of egress shaping on the BNG and on egress shaping on HGWs in the field. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se