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Dave was talking about metrics the other day, attempts like Apple's r= ound-trips per minute.

They he said "bandlength"

That sounded like an odd name, but the idea was cool:

If I have a bandwidth of 1 Mbit/S, but it takes 2= seconds to deliver 1 Mbit,
do I have a bandlength of only 1/2 Mbit/S?

--dave c-b

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