From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 314243CB36 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id g32-v6so21705410edg.13 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V41QrMpSQlcN2fKIimd8VFRNKfHG2QoZnJTjd0vrR70=; b=IHZebaaO66SCaXibXvaJEYu1K99jhwPfyiwrRbOINGe2qtjLiYrglxoAHpTdaiKm07 jXcFJI4zc4HHFG1F+Brr9PSNncRNjc97Wzsfo90hg0WsZcv9kXcM6ds7bWQfp3K8Nbx8 qAtS0RA7BKSEdSmGeBKTwHtTteEMZN7YwHAbnPmSaynY6BCkFFdFj/Uju0HEbaILRvNk 5l9hqx3TsdksvT7AhwBbeaFV8G6Cyi+wK5FkyECXVNomC2m0xt/APRUclPI5OCgdXiBL EX50arWgiv+E0mtZpZjWhimRtMEV1C3CIjLwgB/eF3njYfynxQ9GDaZOYHr18eDFbKu3 Lc0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=V41QrMpSQlcN2fKIimd8VFRNKfHG2QoZnJTjd0vrR70=; b=JQFF6tJvJrjJ29LlQ+S1gPD2Xe0gFU2B56I/uXG/BMYnMoVu6g5ycLomojlE9Ase0R 3TpRhPH92S2m1mz0S+H1Hj0jY+YEaxlbI9zOlLRNVkwj+A6EoCaWyCzWFUH+YllYUiP+ 7lVgWZwOjh37Xr9qpuFggpS0+QuJbB+s7akL0ze29N/xKKvLkjAhAgNcWpGkwJVsmiJy TBkxNVEggPwxuYR9RAdYwRDqXnQP7fyRdU1YsdGJOG66KDj5OIuOdJvwL+y7DnoAn6b0 HqJbVJ8fsMOYKXdEn9obQcRTUSy7LMvj7bKJ5b8ymPNhOnEZ4wVY7eMYK28rjOJp+A// 9Mmw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoh3uY7/cl36w26erKcZmNiXBMUM3vNTdA7xEdbNkb0NHfYiqsAj TRcnLBWeaE6MplHNLBRuHItWUYVD X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61E9ZG7zZQ5adKWG4gkZF6xydrAWIynubr/SAP4u8umOLVi39vOuIvXm0EXvL8/mIndhigk+A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:1992:: with SMTP id g18-v6mr24138790ejd.166.1539703564434; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dracor.xperim.be (152.19-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be. [81.241.19.152]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g48-v6sm5722301edc.93.2018.10.16.08.26.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by dracor.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BF72381030; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:26:03 +0200 (CEST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <68031ed5-05e5-8f53-5e7d-ef0fce9d08da@kau.se> <20181016080628.2ca3652b@xeon-e3> From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:26:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] vyatta in AT&T 5G gear X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:26:06 -0000 On 16/10/2018 17:14, Dave Taht wrote: > And what was so wrong with the "everything as a file" model?? On a single box - not a lot. On a 5G network, which might consist of 10^3 - 10^5 boxes you need aggregation and abstraction layers.