From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from duck.ash.relay.mailchannels.net (duck.ash.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.222.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 422643B2A4 for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 15:44:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nichols@pollere.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624B68217F4 for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 19:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a230.dreamhost.com (unknown [127.0.0.6]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C67FC82162B for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 19:44:07 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Seal: i=1; s=arc-2022; d=mailchannels.net; t=1652384647; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=G0bxKCy7f5eiYGl4AUaAzmL/X/2kZOfHmssWIPBpbq8stdebggG7GQhtRtjPbe2a3TMt/d O4UEiZJrf2PLA5j+oBb5RX6PxJwspvlsOyooNJ+bcL9pVQFClUJiPaNv6ubMPge/gkEAh8 nfTu174S9jjOTvRrUUnoh6QKt1uXsvDoqvMjBh2/qfXu/XaIA1BuwOTL3zq0ujhCjtYi5A O07GjKT8lKDEZkG/bCkGlbPgszwTmZVjZNsT4l/SucWYCjsVqzHOlT8TVAL0sVinPhgEJy dxFQXHf0FlOphj1ypvrdOrnALs/rxDFOjq/AF36P+695fNTmFEyGX/qfhrphuQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailchannels.net; s=arc-2022; t=1652384647; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=D7MVF/fgP0H/pK36POZEaUM8IQMmDBDhmV9knlYbeA4=; b=KCqqvGYdZaymmw+BrORxt714YAoJwQndKatpZvr993ElsyKtrFtedlegNQGyeL6vTcyjOR kFDLEjWVg+hET/FzCNLRNQzLQ+3nz+pvXms2D81zd7RA1aH3rEB05bKZqGGA8SPqgnQGmQ me4dUbEuZO57sBpk1MxqFQb1VoLN8MYuzIHfmvfIbC+YMAw+bgpgIlgskOHzdFqMGzFzKp SMm4B69mC/nv3Yq8znajFkkpyn42By0Y/InExZe2mWju2RaKn2KwuEuJuZGja5Db9J+iuY 3a5grcX5D5WE6cc0dx+wgdNv7ZhS7hsaOyv1R4aTiXZLD2yaNFNyTs29atI2Zw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; rspamd-554c8f6c56-mc66m; auth=pass smtp.auth=dreamhost smtp.mailfrom=nichols@pollere.net X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nichols@pollere.net X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|nichols@pollere.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Left-Dime: 4e1dc1d612371c49_1652384648058_4143216972 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1652384648057:571240618 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1652384648057 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a230.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by 100.116.106.76 (trex/6.7.1); Thu, 12 May 2022 19:44:08 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.28] (c-24-6-99-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.99.56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nichols@pollere.net) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a230.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Kzhzq2NTqz3V for ; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:44:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pollere.net; s=dreamhost; t=1652384647; bh=D7MVF/fgP0H/pK36POZEaUM8IQMmDBDhmV9knlYbeA4=; h=Date:Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e+ccg7krS5XMw2I/FkMVbm9VBwks3G84pooFUKnGhX8ERJVOTUmgulheUM9SjvRvN SBp4+9oLoKDJMaodB3FnuZeheoRP4ol4wapbF+ZyPNDgLk2CTrMR+RhVpIKwRsNcmL nvV3B9GyMvxxUK6Ni+vYAo9s9rXha6lcyC9R9zaqJKLLZjw9D8+1faLZgmXURmHsuH LrO55XVYzXX9zt2hhHR6XR7GNpwzTNN+xb48dHVa9keWOTP9E9SmyYDG2pB/Rq0NPV a1XlIvVtOImcG5y/GtCPFLiSbnLIJ+/Z3FUCBjAXXBy2nhD6OpRjm/ozyc3V7+It9/ g2NaaZEW4xqYg== Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 12:44:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.0 Reply-To: nichols@pollere.net Content-Language: en-US To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Kathleen Nichols In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Ookla - Introducing a Better Measure of Latency X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 19:44:13 -0000 a ping by any other name... Has anyone ever done a rigorous study to see how well ping delays correspond to the delay that information-carrying packets experience? On 5/12/22 10:15 AM, Christoph Paasch via Bloat wrote: > Ookla's measure of "loaded latency": > > https://www.ookla.com/articles/introducing-loaded-latency > > > This will hopefully be a shift in how operators approach the bufferbloat > problem. > > > Christoph > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat