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charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone here know M-Labs, which Airbnb uses? They self-describe thusly, "In 2008, Vint Cerf, one of the =E2=80=9Cfathers of the Internet,=E2=80=9D = began a series of conversations with Internet researchers... [about] unders= tanding their Internet performance over time. As a result of these conversa= tions, M-Lab was founded to help address the core problems experienced by r= esearchers and to promote large-scale open source measurement of the Intern= et. M-Lab was founded in 2009 by New America=E2=80=99s Open Technology Institut= e, the PlanetLab Consortium, Google, and a group of academic researchers." See https://www.measurementlab.net/about/ and https://speed.measurementlab.= net/#/, Email is support@measurementlab.net My run of it reported latency, but without any qualifiers... Results Test Server Toronto, CA Download 158.76 Mb/s Upload 12.52 Mb/s Latency 24 ms --dave On 2021-08-09 12:44 p.m., oesh--- via Bloat wrote: It=E2=80=99s a step forward. On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Dave Taht via Rpm > wrote: Airbnb internet metric: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Simon Barber (sibarber) > Date: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:58 AM Subject: Airbnb To: dave.taht@gmail.com > https://news.airbnb.com/new-tool-check-the-wifi-speed-in-your-airbnb-listin= g-before-you-book/ [https://news.airbnb.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/07/PJM013418Q316-G= arden_Home-05671_JL1.jpg?fit=3D2500%2C16671zT%01] New tool: Check the wifi speed in your Airbnb listing before you book As the growing flexibility to work and live from anywhere continues, being = able to determine a listing=E2=80=99s wifi speed before booking is a must-h= ave for digital nomads, remote workers, roadschoolers, traveling families, = gamers, and creatives alike. news.airbnb.com Wish they measured latency under load to give you a better score of your wi= fi experience! Simon -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC _______________________________________________ Rpm mailing list Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including a= ny and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for= the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, co= pying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confident= iality. 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Does anyone here know M-Labs, which Airbnb uses?

They self-describe thusly,

"In 2008, Vint Cerf, one of the =E2=80=9Cfathers of the Internet= ,=E2=80=9D began a series of conversations with Internet researchers... [ab= out] understanding their Internet performance over time. As a result= of these conversations, M-Lab was founded to help address the core problems experienced by researchers and to promote large-scale op= en source measurement of the Internet.

M-Lab was founded in 2009 by New America=E2=80=99s Open Technology I= nstitute, the PlanetLab Consortium, Google, and a group of academic researc= hers."

See https://www.measurementlab.net/about/ and https://speed.measurementlab.net/#/,

Email is support@measurementlab.net


My run of it reported latency, but without any qualifiers...

Results
Test Server    Toronto, CA
Download       158.76 Mb/s
Upload         12.52 Mb/s
Latency        24 ms



--dave


On 2021-08-09 12:44 p.m., oesh--- via Bloat = wrote:
It=E2=80=99s a step forward.

On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Dave Taht via Rpm <r= pm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:


Airbnb internet metric:

---------- Forwarded message --------= -
From: Simon Barber (sibarbe= r) <sibarber@cisco.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:58 AM
Subject: Airbnb
To: dave.taht@gmail.com <dave.taht@gmail.com>


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As the growing flexibility to work and live from anywhere continues, being = able to determine a listing=E2=80=99s wifi speed before booking is a must-h= ave for digital nomads, remote workers, roadschoolers, traveling families, = gamers, and creatives alike.


Wish they measured latency under load to give you a better score of your wi= fi experience!

Simon



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