From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3783B2A4 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2021 21:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id HFXGmbRr9K3eXHFiGmx1sA; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 01:22:20 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1629508940; bh=RZfQ0W6OpUzv+3N3YznInxhYeXtgDJ15th0UMN2bs84=; h=Received:Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject: To:From:Content-Type; b=fQO9gfSYJh3NOtGjww0xPbuPKMlag/LxVLI5VQ6bVHoIWpdzZGOp/5mP842gObZaA MahsZAOhUWDMBoHOyqbN2vu4CK2XylFhc1bfv2A8y5fZ0vLUGGvv+eji+C6gEbgU3j PF++DQWegIlcZB1bJD7oUo/MWCAZXTNjnAmO6pXkwrtugwOxLnyB+MfeIkM2T/Fuwb ytmhy6pB8WDk7FffQphPN/M2Ot5zB7Ine48MA7uf7AyLxs/U1ElntUW1OmPhm9eZlk fOF2nEVrwSv5r7X7HmxVYN1DJj/5QUi7D0b81BQUBiW0yDswhxGFV4pdfRV7ZPgeDX W/KXpH9NrGBDg== Received: from home.sewingwitch.com ([IPv6:2601:644:881:42b0::3f1]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id HFiCmRvMtmHTIHFiGm5wbo; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 01:22:20 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0.00;st=legit Received: from [10.96.7.39] ([10.96.7.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by home.sewingwitch.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 17L1MAx4027285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:22:10 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 home.sewingwitch.com 17L1MAx4027285 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sewingwitch.com; s=default; t=1629508931; bh=RZfQ0W6OpUzv+3N3YznInxhYeXtgDJ15th0UMN2bs84=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=XpVC9sBRBeKKa3xReS1GUXNjhxPRLbaHv7Ai3ekeafo+6VawFaZOc2Z0/Z425TXyu rF9lbmLVkq5bfedEoJT4ZDRIufXkcgIcK3mAge5HJWzr3uSPfnM25WJXEn01w7QuLi pKftd3aZLUCM+J6Af4EHKO7kczhBgxyejB+ufMLs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:22:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.0.1 Content-Language: en-US To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <20210815133922.GA18118@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <20210819071734.GA3936@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <80e0a336-06e4-c6b6-a01b-f849296086a6@indexexchange.com> <6C2AF637474AE2E1E8AC10A0@[192.168.1.16]> <9933fd82-c57b-5cf0-d898-066d42f90040@indexexchange.com> From: Kenneth Porter In-Reply-To: <9933fd82-c57b-5cf0-d898-066d42f90040@indexexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.96.0.132 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Sidebar re illustrating quality (was: New Version Notification for draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-00.txt) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 01:22:21 -0000 On 8/19/2021 6:58 PM, Dave Collier-Brown wrote: > Look at the barrel link, in that case: I'll send you a sketch off-list Ok, the sketch is of a spoked wheel with 3 spokes, for throughput, latency, and RPM, and the spoke for throughput is much longer. The circle represents the spoke of smallest radius, indicating the worst rating of the service. The ISP will try to sell based on the longest spoke to make itself look better than the actual user experience. It's like taking the barrel illustration and "exploding" the barrel so its staves lie flat, radiating from the base. In that case, the shortest stave is the worst rating.