From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 117383B2A4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2020 02:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id g12so5002562wmh.3 for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:13:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIodOsGI3ypQ5KzEGKlRzvZHEkzUu1kscqPVCoNQGpk=; b=FIJDJwF1INAN5XcPdu4udVMO3WusClNxSmitbRQ0Ld4oojQHhqTX/VNsRuQHv1WEDE ruqRVricL2NPBHWErEJgEv9ILo5YC8T0yyGDVPlNPJfh+5AkRIzYTz5WOG8vZy/icm8t yTh8fQynQuneFsIH2aA3LH/8b3++xxNWTGNo1HlUmQYtKTHlk+P/9hPNzbQCBZnFtRU8 peUl8z1IpZ55J8mqwzdGcLYIKT+Vf3IsvzfU13BilFIKyFi1Y6Pi+VLw9l+sFpiurNQ1 oQ1DhwKyhP42AHLifB6YhUTvXj+qQUHledNvMYpj55+yMMsQSHbr97cusHMnT+lki7fx QIEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIodOsGI3ypQ5KzEGKlRzvZHEkzUu1kscqPVCoNQGpk=; b=WiPGMH2k1Go9gCqP9WsZcy3cswgbAGzMRXBaDB/DlZkk6+k6CMBqQKupUJiKtmktQJ dqoOb2MT//fe4qgHfNhp2zF4QlTaQKxXYM8OVuWpHcjgcHGgG5nyoFn/tgTjjp7be683 xJEeZEUJfDLtoNYHjh6IgzePISQFQm1r7zAqa5XjcwdClAoUaQQGN22BpmsnarNisHw3 JgeOHT781kiIQyFBrnY9JgiKCIbxrIZ06a2D/1hHffLFIvopBYliYpLc4zfZsG4gOy+R /Ea63ei2TNnLhhQ5Yxgs9MZ91GsLjWhmcL9EWV3sb1sq2jL0FiF/2a15zEnNmNFVWoUz 0IGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYMr7Gun2Ou3qxvxyx4LXmfQy4LoeQ3jh3SkqZLexCpPjE9Ivin w0WK0OX9wRTY5WRUZtyoeS5hzGJt X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI/2pCz5b4P1pgGjtoHYJEp1p8z9ofdjQQf2m3m9tWpFZQkA1WETDz4VVXkrLXEibarGnQJGQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7f91:: with SMTP id a139mr7534792wmd.164.1588486423679; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dracor.xperim.be ([109.132.141.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x16sm5800193wrn.76.2020.05.02.23.13.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 May 2020 23:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by dracor.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD1D1380084; Sun, 3 May 2020 08:13:42 +0200 (CEST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <918a1b60-cc5c-593b-de0f-5890a8a3b3d7@gmail.com> From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:13:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <918a1b60-cc5c-593b-de0f-5890a8a3b3d7@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] I hate my ISP X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 06:13:45 -0000 On 03/05/2020 05:57, Taran Lynn wrote: > Hello, > > So evidently Viasat doesn't know how to handle bufferbloat at all with > their exede satellite service. It's been really bad today. I've attached > flent's tcp_1up results for those interested. Note that the base RTT is > 600ms and upload is usually 5Mbps. I don't have the rrul test results > because that test kept crashing >(. > > Now I'm going to go back to watching webpages take a minute to load. Based on their Wikipedia page it seems that Viasat provide service based on geosynchronous satellites. Your poor user experience may therefore not be due solely to bufferbloat but rather to pure transmission latency.