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charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It can be worse than that: if a monopoly owns the poles, you're going to ha= ve to bury your fibre. That will cost you something like $800,000 per mile,= more if you have to cross a road. In my home town, Chatham, Ontario, the local ISP is installing fibre underg= round because the duopoly of cable and telephone companies won't rent them = pole space, much less bandwidth on their existing fibre. This works for Chatham and Blenheim and a few others, but not for the small= er towns of Bothwell or Dresden, much less any of the villages or individua= l farms. They're out of luck. --dave On 3/29/23 13:46, Rich Brown wrote: [EXTERNAL] This email originated from outside the organization. Do not clic= k links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the co= ntent is safe. On Mar 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, David Lang via Starlink > wrote: The problem is that laying cable (or provisioning wifi access to cover the = area) is expensive, and if you try to have multiple different companies doi= ng it, they each need a minimum density of users to make it worth their whi= le. Yes, this stuff is expensive, Here is reasonably current order-of-magnitude= cost breakdown for a rural NH town nearby: 1) $55,000 per road-mile to design the system, get licenses to install on t= he utility poles, "make ready" (to check that the poles are ready for new f= acilities) and to hang the fiber on the pole. Installing coax would save $5= K to $8K per mile. 2) $2,000 to $4,000 per premise to install the drop from the utility pole t= o the building, bring the fiber into the building and install the router. 3) Pole rental (in NH) is about $10/pole/year. Divide miles of road by 200 = feet between poles to get an estimate of the number of poles. So density of customers is critical for the business case. That's why there= are so many monopoly providers - it's costly to overbuild an already serve= d area. -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. 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It can be worse than that: if a monopoly owns the poles, you're going to= have to bury your fibre. That will cost you something like $800,000 per mi= le, more if you have to cross a road.

In my home town, Chatham, Ontario, the local ISP is installing fibre und= erground because the duopoly of cable and telephone companies won't rent th= em pole space, much less bandwidth on their existing fibre.

This works for Chatham and Blenheim and a few others, but not for the sm= aller towns of Bothwell or Dresden, much less any of the villages or indivi= dual farms. They're out of luck.

--dave


On 3/29/23 13:46, Rich Brown wrote:

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On Mar 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, David Lang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:=

The problem is that laying cable (or provisioning wifi access to cover the are= a) is expensive, and if you try to have multiple different companies doing = it, they each need a minimum density of users to make it worth their while.=

Yes, this stuff is expensive, Here is reasonably current or= der-of-magnitude cost breakdown for a rural NH town nearby:

1) $55,000 per road-mile to design the system, get licenses= to install on the utility poles, "make ready" (to check that the= poles are ready for new facilities) and to hang the fiber on the pole. Ins= talling coax would save $5K to $8K per mile.

2) $2,000 to $4,000 per premise to install the drop from th= e utility pole to the building, bring the fiber into the building and insta= ll the router. 

3) Pole rental (in NH) is about $10/pole/year. Divide miles= of road by 200 feet between poles to get an estimate of the number of pole= s.

So density of customers is critical for the business case. = That's why there are so many monopoly providers - it's costly to overbuild = an already served area.

--=20
David Collier-Brown,         | Always do right. This will gratify
System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com |              -- =
Mark Twain

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