From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp104.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (smtp104.ord1c.emailsrvr.com [108.166.43.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E8621F377 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp14.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp14.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 648D23803AC; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp14.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed-AT-reed.com) with ESMTPSA id 43314380613; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:08:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from [100.102.60.36] (14.sub-70-197-10.myvzw.com [70.197.10.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.4.2); Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:08:31 GMT User-Agent: K-@ Mail for Android X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: References: <20150316203532.05BD21E2@taggart.lackof.org> <123130.1426635142@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <15A0911A-E3B7-440A-A26B-C5E1489EA98B@viagenie.ca> <1426773234.362612992@apps.rackspace.com> <1426796961.194223197@apps.rackspace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----WGQVNZTP62023VPGQIGL6CG1HCLLU8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "David P. Reed" Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:08:27 -0700 To: "Livingood, Jason" , Greg White Message-ID: Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:09:04 -0000 ------WGQVNZTP62023VPGQIGL6CG1HCLLU8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SamKnows is carefully constructed politically to claim that everyone has gr= eat service and no problems are detected=2E They were constructed by oppone= nts of government supervision - the corporate FCC lobby=2E Don't believe t= hey have any incentive to measure customer relevant measures M-Lab is bett= er by far=2E But control by Google automatically discredits it's data=2E As= well as the claims by operators that measurements by independent parties v= iolate their trade secrets=2E Winning that battle requires a group that can= measure while supporting a very expensive defense against lawsuits by oper= ators making such claim of trade secrecy=2E Criticizing M-LAB is just fodd= er fir the operators' lobby in DC=2E On Mar 20, 2015, "Livingood, Jason" <= Jason_Livingood@cable=2Ecomcast=2Ecom> wrote: >>*I realize not everyone lik= es the Ookla tool, but it is popular and >about >>as "sexy" as you are goin= g to get with a network performance tool=2E > >Ookla has recently been acqu= ired by Ziff-Davis >(http://finance=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/news/ziff-davis-acquires-= ookla-120100454=2Ehtml)=2E >I am not sure have that may influence their pot= ential involvement=2E I >have >suggested they add this test previously=2E I= also suggested it be added >to >the FCC=C2=B9s SamKnows / Measuring Broadb= and American platform and that the >FCC potentially does a one-off special = report on the results=2E > >- Jason -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution = of emailing=2E ------WGQVNZTP62023VPGQIGL6CG1HCLLU8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SamKnows is carefully constructed politically to c= laim that everyone has great service and no problems are detected=2E They w= ere constructed by opponents of government supervision - the corporate FCC = lobby=2E

Don't believe they have any= incentive to measure customer relevant measures

M-Lab is better by far=2E But control by Google automatically= discredits it's data=2E As well as the claims by operators that measuremen= ts by independent parties violate their trade secrets=2E Winning that battl= e requires a group that can measure while supporting a very expensive defen= se against lawsuits by operators making such claim of trade secrecy=2E

Criticizing M-LAB is just fodder fir the= operators' lobby in DC=2E

On Mar 20, 2015, "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Li= vingood@cable=2Ecomcast=2Ecom> wrote:
>*I realize not everyon=
e likes the Ookla tool, but it is popular and about
as "sexy" as yo=
u are going to get with a network performance tool=2E

Ookla has recently been acquired by Ziff-Davis
=
(http://finance=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/news/ziff-davis-=
acquires-ookla-120100454=2Ehtml)=2E
I am not sure hav=
e that may influence their potential involvement=2E I have
suggested they add this test previously=2E I also suggested it be added t=
o
the FCC¹s SamKnows / Measuring Broadband American =
platform and that the
FCC potentially does a one-off spec=
ial report on the results=2E

- Jason

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