Let's see... Found them!

A+ figures were only 20-30% of the bloated D figure (:-()

I showed the article with both graphs to an outside reader and he spotted it instantly, and asked why I was only getting a tiny fraction of the "bloated" throughput.

--dave

Hi Dave,

On 15. Jul 2024, at 12:59, David Collier-Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

On 2024-07-15 05:18, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote:

Hi Dave,

nice! I only would have wished for the A-grade waveform result as well, it is a bit of a downer that the last figure show the unpleasant 'before' status only.

Regards
Sebastian

That was a deliberate action on my part: the "after" status shows much smaller throughput numbers, leading observant readers to ask if improving latency didn't destroy one's bandwidth.

	[SM] Ah, I see. But just for our discussion here, how much (potential) capacity did you need to treade in for decent responsiveness?

I suspect that the throughputs "with bloat" are greatly exaggerated... from counting the extra data that fills the bloated buffers (;-))

	[SM] Good point... especially for upload tests, I occasionally see numbers which I know for a fact to be impossible (abovre the gross capacity of my access link) and I wonder whether all tests actually do proper reporting of the grand average capacity numbers. This should not be rocket science: take the start time of the first maesasurement flow and the end time of the last measurement flow and divide the total number of payload bytes trasferred by the total time this took. 

--dave

On 14. Jul 2024, at 23:30, David Collier-Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

I have a new article on ACM Queue, at https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3674953
"If you're an ISP and all your customers hate you, take heart. This is now a solvable problem."
It's part of a tongue-in-cheek series called "You Don't Know Jack", and it's about Bufferbloat and the LibreQoS project.
--dave
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