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charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Knowing programmers, I'd more likely assume latency when it's easiest to me= asure. At a guess, either * average of upload or download * average of download (as it comes first) --dave (call me "Wally" (:-)) c-b On 2021-08-09 4:24 p.m., Jonathan Morton wrote: On 9 Aug, 2021, at 10:25 pm, Dave Collier-Brown wrote: My run of it reported latency, but without any qualifiers... One would reasonable assume that's idle latency, then. - Jonathan Morton _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including a= ny and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for= the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, co= pying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confident= iality. 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Knowing programmers, I'd more likely assume latency when it's easiest to= measure. At a guess, either

  • average of upload or download
  • average of download (as it comes = first)

--dave (call me "Wally" (:-)) c-b


On 2021-08-09 4:24 p.m., Jonathan Morton wrote:= 

On 9 Aug, 2021, at 10:25 pm, Dave Co=
llier-Brown <dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com> w=
rote:

My run of it reported latency, but without any qualifiers...

One would reasonable assume that's idle latency, then.

 - Jonathan Morton
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