From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x734.google.com (mail-qk1-x734.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::734]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5CB3B29E for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x734.google.com with SMTP id f17so11219610qkl.5 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:reply-to:subject:to:references:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=UIUlCct12D4Tw9JlqktQWjALiOiJdlXJH6aokY8uyzI=; b=YDmtvbFw3W9Ib5zffgLsq+GSEjx3Zh4Bnm0k1rFT3PEB0aJK45NvsvgP+RGIoVKk5Q DhjvYE4zckmj9qm9X2qBgeCALJOfUx3zZI3X4Rvuojwdnygeu0+VY6RfWKLakXiUVa4A RgGNtAMNtQ9cT/Ye7G78v85MEo00VAaUtfaIAo2ip8cHZTNasvP26XX+kdy88IZtqA42 shE4XVW/kqfVLSVxIQMgMxw6XNbJ/auPjgViI1xn5P7ZGFHU2xZrAEhzV8oq4C55TB9L 49zBf2poA4B3oV+Wg40EObsv9GD8CC2rs/MMsboFyt/0XLgv8SwvE96BuJ0X7hoMXHy+ ho3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:reply-to:subject:to:references:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=UIUlCct12D4Tw9JlqktQWjALiOiJdlXJH6aokY8uyzI=; b=adn2WJyHRLWP+DxE1YdudemEiU95638P9XXLG5S+u0YeACWz9N+X51XsuvrjgJZoTl U9Tvvwfdu45RvAdUbvf9fp5ketsbC+DeeMz3ePocwkzOwosr28LctxO195FKbpiet2SZ q4G/cpZsfjXfVErZXxSVtIUsXjGiF/xAKLaJ1GhlE7xfr/bWUpwGsEp6JwuuM9zGBagx NHcVrD4ki5q4MM52Ixpd4DDiaArujAMOJ7nz9ALom0BA73h9Bb1yCqkOXEkcMR7rOyJy ufz7K2e6B6EejhJEVBcYImvAviAIjJ8Rcs4cY4nl93BNRDLd7ZXwtKDVsSM2Wbpt+rAC iCgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ysDdr4JmrHwOJ3AhZw5sMJOO/ENublarGjB8NwxBnch14x0tt 2/R1YzXvtSIJTjJs01Yc9hs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzCTcUftnxSNwCTo+ACuZcVNs78Rmq0IG8TpXjekQQktX837fJVgSoEHqoeDtdQ8ebzByJmlw== X-Received: by 2002:a37:59c1:: with SMTP id n184mr5768191qkb.67.1614392558419; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.7.123] ([99.241.212.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i13sm6768977qtv.95.2021.02.26.18.22.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Collier-Brown X-Google-Original-From: David Collier-Brown Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <87a6rs145a.fsf@toke.dk> <87blc6zghv.fsf@toke.dk> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:22:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------53C6015D840A1AA4C9EF9442" Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Bloat] offtopic to: Trouble Installing PPing in MacOS X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 02:22:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------53C6015D840A1AA4C9EF9442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Every time we measure and graph something new, we discover something we never could have predicted by looking at the hing we set out to graph. --dave On 2021-02-26 7:36 p.m., Jason Iannone wrote: > Beyond getting acquainted with a new dataset? I'm a transit network > that supports, among other traffic types, science flows. I think new > monitoring methods can help identify targets for intervention. > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:06 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen > wrote: > > TJason Iannone > writes: > > > I ended up cloning the pping repo and running make locally. > > > > Installing was a few steps: > > > > 1. mkdir ~/src/libtins/build > > 2. cd ~/src/libtins/build > > 2. git clone https://github.com/mfontanini/libtins.git > > > 3. make > > 4. sudo make install > > 5. cd ~/src > > 6. git clone https://github.com/pollere/pping.git > > > 7. cd pping > > 8. make > > 9. ./pping > > > > The promise of this, as Kathleen Nichols points out, is that we can > > passively monitor production flows to get a novel sense of end > to end > > performance per flow. I don't know of any other passive monitoring > > technique, beyond a port mirror + a whole gang of systems, that > can provide > > this level of detail. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. The only > other > > passive monitoring mechanisms I'm aware of are SNMP polling, > IPFIX/*Flow, > > and Streaming Telemetry Interface. None of those systems provide > end to end > > flow performance details. The standard in-band active monitoring > tools are > > good for determining node to node and full path metrics, but > this provides > > a more complete picture of end to end performance beyond active > > y.1731/802.3ag/OAM probes. I'm a little surprised that I'm only > learning > > about it now. > > What's your use case? :) > > -Toke > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain --------------53C6015D840A1AA4C9EF9442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Every time we measure and graph something new, we discover something we never could have predicted by looking at the hing we set out to graph.

--dave

On 2021-02-26 7:36 p.m., Jason Iannone wrote:
Beyond getting acquainted with a new dataset? I'm a transit network that supports, among other traffic types, science flows. I think new monitoring methods can help identify targets for intervention.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:06 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
TJason Iannone <jason.iannone@gmail.com> writes:

> I ended up cloning the pping repo and running make locally.
>
> Installing was a few steps:
>
> 1. mkdir ~/src/libtins/build
> 2. cd ~/src/libtins/build
> 2. git clone https://github.com/mfontanini/libtins.git
> 3. make
> 4. sudo make install
> 5. cd ~/src
> 6. git clone https://github.com/pollere/pping.git
> 7. cd pping
> 8. make
> 9. ./pping
>
> The promise of this, as Kathleen Nichols points out, is that we can
> passively monitor production flows to get a novel sense of end to end
> performance per flow. I don't know of any other passive monitoring
> technique, beyond a port mirror + a whole gang of systems, that can provide
> this level of detail. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. The only other
> passive monitoring mechanisms I'm aware of are SNMP polling, IPFIX/*Flow,
> and Streaming Telemetry Interface. None of those systems provide end to end
> flow performance details. The standard in-band active monitoring tools are
> good for determining node to node and full path metrics, but this provides
> a more complete picture of end to end performance beyond active
> y.1731/802.3ag/OAM probes. I'm a little surprised that I'm only learning
> about it now.

What's your use case? :)

-Toke

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