From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x243.google.com (mail-wm0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D0203CB3C for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm0-x243.google.com with SMTP id 141so10949915wme.3 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:23:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bb2JJRO4H8gKVSrj7WiRPCxZkLowsuugMLVDIhGrPA8=; b=UooBIS8huVKFOfaT3yGTVUtHKNrPgx6oVW2N9oy+QrnUkqQJ3qHPW7kjFJswbW+Xtf gPZfRgE/9pr8wZ2/awHXD8TAkVipdhbirt2pbRc8eflJAmdI6LWasTY4UgvqCZm8kZtz ZuZ6yAa+Rkv9mffiitSbp41lpqmxigdgJdYx1my0mC5Y33nVwY82qZtXEdgcljf8Did2 mXa8hF94mlmUvdsbt5V+Ji4T2DTzzP96lISOqDYWNP37OBHYHDdKyaalkzqU55Jc152s YsC+P9g15y+uHSV5Ph62R2iTj45070e+w5r6xLbz0KDdrWdrxmX6kB3qJmzXCUsFzs/N hyQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bb2JJRO4H8gKVSrj7WiRPCxZkLowsuugMLVDIhGrPA8=; b=pXxLOwWHsEfvzRvMEKPzTh10yyTv/ZcC9l4iYjW6yuZgRxm9r+UwW45gjaGzVu9h/T mUSBuJNJglb/poyaQ6HhSsWgKI9Y9aJNx7TF/O4nqfwigTw0rZm/R1y75IT5njJMsMz5 Orwv6qSXy4hQD15VGJtSHcZXVH66uu8fGo09UW468J+qdDqxZvxdBD7AhZI8LJpdSupi qx+SqX7THdn+Uj8qcUmqAWphOH6/uXf4oJYs/M/3i+5Ku/i/GYsbcS78cGwk2O40YfyR cadR9Iy3PTc7uVsrNGMOjHHQ9t2yLv7fWtOVl1AhER+Jqe16h4GQ1PMW0Izk3vy83nFC dUPA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPD2SiBAusb9eCgxtbN3cubDmMFjLTSZtIx3d6M30zVeeCN+sFUD +cRCHyTD8Id3Tiv7sFXLZvL10Rhb X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2245tUC4C4uEBvc1ep7ru6zh+kW4CNtP+JZg7Fw6KxX5IUmzmoXuhFGnJ19Tl/4o1/Jec/vM9g== X-Received: by 10.80.173.174 with SMTP id a43mr16671050edd.295.1518452596420; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from zotac.xperim.be ([109.128.177.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m15sm5162328edj.41.2018.02.12.08.23.15 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C54EA489062; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:23:14 +0100 (CET) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:23:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:23:17 -0000 On 12/02/18 02:11, Jim Gettys wrote: > My version is up: dunno why the ietf web site doesn't have it up yet (It > was supposed to go up 7pm ET). > > https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/ > > We will push this on social media first thing in the morning.  Those of > you in Europe, please do so as well (it's best to get the ball rolling > in the morning in Europe before the western hemisphere wakes up). > > Thank you all for all of your help.  I have tried to credit everyone > appropriately as best I can. Jim, an important audience for this blog is in China - that's where a lot of the R&D of home routers happens. I know that China is currently rushing to get things finished before Chinese New Year. I submit that you need to think about a relaunch when China is back.