From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5198E21F6A2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCwjM-0007As-W0 for bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:13:40 +0200 Received: from 32.97.110.56 ([32.97.110.56]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:13:40 +0200 Received: from wmf by 32.97.110.56 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:13:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net From: Wes Felter Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:13:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.56 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Bloat] is there no RED at level3? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 20:13:45 -0000 On 7/30/14, 5:49 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > I have been following the level3 vs verizon debate with some interest, > trying to sort out fact from fiction. It does appear that once they > saturate a core interconnect they end up with nearly 100ms of latency in > it. Is RED not available on 10GigE interconnects or any other mediation > means to increase packet loss in exchange for getting better latency? Wasn't CoDel created because nobody understands how to configure RED? If you've built a network under the assumption that congestion won't happen, why enable RED? If you're in an adversarial public pissing match, is your incentive to make the situation look better or worse? -- Wes Felter