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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:54:38 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nycvar.QRO.7.75.62.1611230951330.9765@qynat-yncgbc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1611231829220.3558@uplift.swm.pp.se>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:

> If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you set 
> your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast 
> oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then you're 
> still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution.
>
> I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" is 
> above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working solution 
> for someone with that kind of skillset.

perfect is the enemy of good enough

stop trying for perfection, you will never be able to address all problems.

But we already have several options that would address the very real problems 
people are having if they could just be deployed.

you don't even need to use cake and worry about what your uplink bandwidth is if 
you can just use fq_codel on the real edge device. The fact that it is almost 
impossible to buy a router that has a DSL interface on it, so you have to try to 
artificially move the bottleneck is a problem.

Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things get 
vastly simpler.

David Lang

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-23 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-22 15:32 Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38     ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23  8:28     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59       ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31         ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05           ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27             ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50                 ` Noah Causin
2016-11-23 17:56                   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05                     ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 19:42                           ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20                             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54                 ` David Lang [this message]
2016-11-23 18:09                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 18:24                       ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17                   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.447.1479909940.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-23 18:16 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 19:15       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found] <mailman.454.1479929363.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-26 15:33 ` [Bloat] Fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-27  1:53   ` Aaron Wood
2016-11-27  6:10     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:11     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28  2:16       ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28  6:00         ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48           ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35                 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07                     ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02                       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52                     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14             ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10           ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:47       ` David Lang

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