From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bifrost.lang.hm (lang.hm [66.167.227.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F08E3B2A3 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlang-laptop ([10.2.0.122]) by bifrost.lang.hm (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id uANHuZaX031953; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:56:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:56:35 -0800 (PST) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: root@dlang-laptop To: Noah Causin cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <2e7e4dbe-5a95-93f3-89de-447f6bf970f9@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <8d72490d-551a-c58f-991a-1750e9af8df9@gmail.com> <2e7e4dbe-5a95-93f3-89de-447f6bf970f9@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20.17 (DEB 179 2016-10-28) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:56:38 -0000 that doesn't even do 5GHz, so your wifi performance will be cripped by interference and the lack of available bandwidth. On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Noah Causin wrote: > There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the > Netduma R1 Router. It's main feature is reducing lag. It does this > through QOS and GEO-IP Filtering. (Limiting available servers to your > local region = reduced RTT) > > It seems relatively popular in the gaming world, especially console. > > It is based on OpenWRT Chaos Calmer: https://netduma.com/opensource/ > > It has an advanced QOS system that already uses FQ_Codel. > > Here are the hardware specs: > > https://netduma.com/features/hardware/ > > I assume it has an ath9k. > > Maybe they could implement the ath9k fq_codel and airtime patches. > > The user base that buys this product seems like they would be more > familiar with setting up routers than the average person. > > On 11/23/2016 12:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote: >> >>> If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro >>> based bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and >>> it applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up >>> awareness. A good channel for awareness would be getting in contact >>> with popular Twitch or YouTube gaming streamers. But I wouldn't put >>> much effort into driving up awareness until there is a device that >>> people can easily acquire, use, and afford. At first I was thinking >>> of telling people to use *-WRT supporting routers, but changing the >>> firmware on your router requires too much research, and many people >>> care about bleeding edge features. You need something that works in >>> tangent with whatever they are using. >> >> If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you >> set your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast >> oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then >> you're still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution. >> >> I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" >> is above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working >> solution for someone with that kind of skillset. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >