From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21B273CB37 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-laptop.LAN (dlang-laptop.LAN [10.2.0.162]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0785F1D4; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 13:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 13:29:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@dlang-laptop To: davecb@spamcop.net cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="===============0448435971790371576==" Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] My (controversial) position paper on TCP X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 20:29:57 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============0448435971790371576== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, David Collier-Brown wrote: > On 2019-03-20 10:28 a.m., Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >> >> This isn't a resource problem, it's a code problem. The IETF wants 10-15 >> year old hosts to be able to connect to a network and perform basic >> networking. It might not be very optimized, but the basic function should >> be there. New functionality can optimize for different factors, but making >> older host stop working is frowned upon. > > Fortunately this is a solved problem in capacity planning: you replace > machines often enough that they're not constantly out of service being > repaired. 10 to 15 human-years is the equivalent of 70 to 105 of the > dog-years we use in this silly business (;-)) I have quite a number of consumer devices from 2000 or earlier still running, consumer endpoints (aka IoT devices) do not get updated very much, if at all. David Lang --===============0448435971790371576== Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: INLINE X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KQmxvYXQgbWFp bGluZyBsaXN0CkJsb2F0QGxpc3RzLmJ1ZmZlcmJsb2F0Lm5ldApodHRwczovL2xpc3RzLmJ1ZmZl cmJsb2F0Lm5ldC9saXN0aW5mby9ibG9hdAo= --===============0448435971790371576==--