From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 860073B2A4 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 20:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-laptop.LAN (dlang-laptop.LAN [10.2.0.162]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C824BACC4; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@dlang-laptop To: "David P. Reed" cc: David Lang , Michael Richardson , Jonathan Morton , bloat In-Reply-To: <1592073681.126716238@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: References: <1591891396.41838464@apps.rackspace.com> <1591901205.85717618@apps.rackspace.com> <1591902977.45963161@apps.rackspace.com> <12673.1591976376@localhost> <1592073681.126716238@apps.rackspace.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:03:14 -0000 On Sat, 13 Jun 2020, David P. Reed wrote: > On Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:43am, "David Lang" said: > > >> Remember, Musk already sacked the starlink leadership once for being to stuck in >> 'the way satellites are always built' so if it doesn't work well under load and >> they can't fix it, he will find people who can. > > He just might. Depends on who he asks. The fact that ATT literally couldn't > fix its network for at least a year, and spent most of that year blaming Apple > and the design of the iPhone, asking the right people isn't what arrogant > organizations are good at. Musk has shown that he is not stuck on "this is the way we've always done things" and conventional wisdom. He's also shown a willingness to scrap existing plans and infrastructure when it is shown not to work. > And firing people appeals to those who think Trump > is brilliant as a manager - he appeals because he says "you're fired". I think > sacking whole teams is an indication of someone who has risen to his level of > incompetence, but that's just my opinion. he sacked the management team, not everyone, and when you are doing new stuff and you have people playing the "we'll just ignore the bosses instructions because we know the industry better" they deserve to get sacked. take a look at the first pair of starlink test satellites (before the change) and what they are launching now. What they are doing now breaks a TON of 'industry best practices' in satellite design, but the result is much cheaper, and much cheaper to lunch that allows scalability that wasn't possible with the old model. traditionally, satellites are very expensive, because the cost to lauch them was so high that it made sense to put lots of money into each satellite. As launch costs plummet, you can afford a slightly higher failure rate potential to a drastic cost reduction. Musk is overly optomisitic, but that's a good thing because without that optimisim he wouldn't even try the things he's doing. He has a solid track record of failing to meet his initial goal/deadline, but continuing to work and eventually exceeding his initial goals (even if it's a bit later than he planned) I see no reason that starlink would be any different. David Lang