From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1CFE3B2A4 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 20:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-laptop.LAN (dlang-laptop.LAN [10.2.0.162]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54B0BACC5; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@dlang-laptop To: Michael Richardson cc: "David P. Reed" , Jonathan Morton , bloat In-Reply-To: <7056.1592082916@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1591891396.41838464@apps.rackspace.com> <1591901205.85717618@apps.rackspace.com> <10734.1591975855@localhost> <1591991430.15324444@apps.rackspace.com> <7056.1592082916@localhost> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:06:37 -0000 > Right, if you overprovision the network, and under-utilize it with CBR links, > then clearly you can get quality, at a high cost. > I don't think you can make a lot of money at this, because ultimately > terrestrial providers came in and ate that lunch. only in urban areas, there are still large parts of the US (let alone the rest of the world) where cell coverage is spotty and Internet options are few and slow. running wire/fiber is expensive and doesn't make sense if the customer density is too low. wireless ISPs are partially filling that gap, but only partially David Lang