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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article - question #2
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:08:07 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2104051104000.18176@qynat-yncgbc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C7374F56-0F6D-4390-9285-9FE4C445BBF9@gmail.com>

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Rich Brown wrote:

> Next question...
>
>> 2) All network equipment can be bloated. I have seen (but not really followed) controversy regarding the amount of buffering needed in the Data Center. Is it worth having the Wikipedia article distinguish between Data Center equipment and CPE/home/last mile equipment? Similarly, is the "bloat condition" and its mitigation qualitatively different between those applications? Finally, do any of us know how frequently data centers/backbone ISPs experience buffer-induced latencies? What's the magnitude of the impact?

the bandwidth available in datacenters is high enough that it's much harder to 
run into grief there (recognizing that not every piece of datacenter equipment 
is hooked to 100G circuits)

I think it's best to talk about excessive buffers in terms of time rather than 
bytes, and you can then show the difference between two buffers of the same 
size, one connected to a 10Mb (or 1Mb) DSL upload vs 100G datacenter circuit. 
After that one example, the rest of the article can talk about time and it will 
be globally applicable.

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-05 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-05 12:46 [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article Rich Brown
2021-04-05 15:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-04-05 15:24   ` David Lang
2021-04-05 15:57     ` Dave Collier-Brown
2021-04-05 16:25     ` Kelvin Edmison
2021-04-05 18:00 ` [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article - question #2 Rich Brown
2021-04-05 18:08   ` David Lang [this message]
2021-04-05 20:30     ` Erik Auerswald
2021-04-05 20:36       ` Dave Taht
2021-04-05 21:49 ` [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article Sebastian Moeller
2021-04-05 21:55   ` Dave Taht
2021-04-06  0:47   ` Erik Auerswald
2021-04-06  6:31     ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-04-06 18:50       ` Erik Auerswald
2021-04-06 20:02         ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2021-04-06 21:59           ` Erik Auerswald
2021-04-06 23:32             ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-04-06 23:54               ` David Lang
2021-04-07 11:06             ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2021-04-27  1:41               ` Dave Taht
2021-04-27  7:25                 ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2021-04-06 20:01       ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2021-04-06 21:30         ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-04-06 21:36           ` Jonathan Morton
2021-04-07 10:39           ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2021-04-06 18:54 ` Neil Davies

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