From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B0213B29E for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 19:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-laptop (unknown [10.2.0.162]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E1DF2833; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 16:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 16:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@dlang-laptop To: Stephen Hemminger cc: Erik Auerswald , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <20210406163217.46eabd74@hermes.local> Message-ID: References: <9A233C8C-5C48-4483-A087-AA5FE1011388@gmail.com> <320ECDF6-8B03-4995-944B-4726B866B2D3@gmx.de> <20210406004735.GA16266@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <31F4A461-F3D6-42FF-B6A5-33F4824F97BC@gmx.de> <20210406185015.GC18085@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <7a79c484-7c9c-0e9a-a0f7-9a5dbd607c21@kit.edu> <20210406215953.GA19648@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <20210406163217.46eabd74@hermes.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 23:54:48 -0000 On Tue, 6 Apr 2021, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > For Wikipedia it is important to make clear: > * the symptoms = large latency more precisely, large latency under load David Lang > * the cause = large buffers and aggressive protocols > * the solutions = AQM, smaller buffers, pacing, better congestion control, etc. > > People can argue over best combination of solutions but the symptoms and > causes should be defined, and non-contentious. > > It is too easy to go off in the weeds and have the solution of the day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat