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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Jason Iannone <jason.iannone@gmail.com>
Cc: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>,
	 bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople
Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 06:40:59 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2105060639020.3878@qynat-yncgbc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGL1wDR-GDZr_R3Yns1o0zZH3hBiys3Fr4X5zE-n6hPr3Zs8VQ@mail.gmail.com>

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it's sometimesworth reminding technical folks that if you look at a small enough 
time slice, a network is either 0% or 100% utilized, so if the output is 100% 
utilized the instant a packet arrives, the device ither dropps the data or 
buffers it.

David Lang

  On Thu, 6 May 2021, Jason Iannone wrote:

> It's not a short discussion but I start with a comparison of circuit and
> packet switching, usually with an accompanying drawing. There's a physicist
> joke in here about assuming a frictionless environment but for the intent
> of this explanation, a circuit switched path is bufferless because circuit
> switched networks are point to point and bits are transmitted at the same
> rate that they are received. Packet switching introduces a mechanism for
> nodes supporting multiple ingress, single egress transmission. In order to
> support transient bursts, network nodes hold onto bits for a time while the
> egress interface processes the node's ingress traffic. That hold time
> equates to additional latency. Every node in a path may subject a flow's
> traffic to buffering, increasing latency in transit based on its individual
> load.
>
> Jason
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 8:02 PM Livingood, Jason via Bloat <
> bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> Like many of you I have been immersed in buffer bloat discussions for many
>> years, almost entirely within the technical community. Now that I am
>> starting to explain latency & latency under load to internal non-technical
>> folks, I have noticed some people don’t really understand “traditional”
>> latency vs. latency under load (LUL).
>>
>>
>>
>> As a result, I am planning to experiment in some upcoming briefings and
>> call traditional latency “idle latency” – a measure of latency conducted on
>> an otherwise idle connection. And then try calling LUL either “active
>> latency” or perhaps “working latency” (suggested by an external colleague –
>> can’t take credit for that one) – to try to communicate it is latency when
>> the connection is experiencing normal usage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you here faced similar challenges explaining this to
>> non-technical audiences? Have you had any success with alternative terms?
>> What do you think of these?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any input,
>>
>> Jason
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-06 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-05  0:02 Livingood, Jason
2021-05-05  0:14 ` James R Cutler
2021-05-05  7:41   ` Erik Auerswald
2021-05-06 14:38     ` Dave Taht
2021-05-05  1:41 ` Matt Mathis
2021-05-05 15:05 ` Neil Davies
2021-05-06 13:23 ` Jason Iannone
2021-05-06 13:40   ` David Lang [this message]
2021-05-06 18:00     ` Dave Taht
2021-05-10 20:10 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2021-05-11 21:26   ` Greg White
2021-05-12 15:50 Ingemar Johansson S
2021-05-12 21:51 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2021-05-16 18:48   ` john
2021-05-16 19:20     ` Jonathan Morton
2021-05-16 20:44       ` Michael Richardson
2021-05-16 21:32         ` Aaron Wood
2021-05-16 21:33         ` Jonathan Morton
2021-05-16 23:02           ` Jonathan Morton
2021-05-17  5:18     ` Simon Barber
2021-05-17  5:24       ` Jonathan Morton

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