From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cpanel.tc-mi.net (cpanel.tc-mi.net [198.109.107.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EE373B29D; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:01:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inacomptc.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=y2RbQ2wIe7+u2Mmptl2hEpXe3Y9zvX7+sPqWopNpnsM=; b=1rMNU/1fh+kjBzyHiSiK/TqjAg 7icnMPPsN8UtotLC4OSKFjZYKs5+zHPw3WWiDPNOneSNQQ3ppCrXk5ky6/n8AZSIqjlOSfdJF1lep yuKfeNiVzTYuvE3eTaKbp+iFcI6unyAKxa94J8eVq+dS4m+FUzL8puhk6Fu5saA/fzXvSOpl/Me+A Q0yVBQ0eH6i9QUUTbGMTSCMApYu60fVb3g1NlyOvRQHRNT1V7uT79wlMVpMJnb/hF4XizGYCjKyyZ d/7g8g89qrLlImWuOw7f5AUsBoWOEF/jcCbr3yr9BeL2ngpPmu95oot9DQbKj+U1dIf/pVD7rrhUs wSjMvnuA==; Received: from 097-083-001-186.res.spectrum.com ([97.83.1.186]:36445 helo=DESKTOP0D7H4U1) by cpanel.tc-mi.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZhpB-00069K-Jc; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:01:45 -0400 From: "Jordan Szuch" To: "'Dave Taht'" Cc: "'Cake List'" , "'bloat'" References: <003001d7bdf0$97282430$c5786c90$@inacomptc.com> <004901d7bdf2$8544e8a0$8fceb9e0$@inacomptc.com> <006f01d7be16$e21a95b0$a64fc110$@inacomptc.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:01:45 -0400 Message-ID: <008f01d7be2a$ccc5fbf0$6651f3d0$@inacomptc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJoRh1+isobeJQa+Kydtt3dT7fxBgJY5XOFAbYyNIkBKHbDvQKUYwHUAcvDENYCO27cnqpNLJFg Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel.tc-mi.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.bufferbloat.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - inacomptc.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cpanel.tc-mi.net: authenticated_id: jordan@inacomptc.com X-Authenticated-Sender: cpanel.tc-mi.net: jordan@inacomptc.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 23:01:46 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht =20 Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:38 PM To: Jordan Szuch Cc: Cake List ; bloat = Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments Great! >Encouraged! On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > Unfortunately, didn't have time to setup my own server but here are=20 > the results for Flent on against the public east/west bufferbloat=20 > servers: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqQ8zMdwTTBmcd_mnw?e=3D675gyh > > That's a shared OneDrive folder with results from running with CAKE = and then without any kind of shaping. Here's some additional information = as well. > > This was the command that was run: flent rrul -p all_scaled -l 60 -H=20 > netperf.bufferbloat.net >-t the_test_parameters # helps to name the plots, so you can compare = them later >--step-size=3D.05 # sample at a higher frequency Got it. There's now a new run in the shared CAKE folder with the high = sample frequency (Run #2) > Internet is a Spectrum cable connection. Bandwidth is supposed to be = 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up. I have it limited to 90Mbps and 9Mbps for = shaping. Here's also the CAKE settings I have configured on the router: >Is it not a docsis 3.1 modem? Because your unshaped result was = *miserable*. No, just 3.0. Most of the modems in this area are that presently = (Northern Michigan). No much incentive for Spectrum to replace them = unless you're purchasing their highest speeds. Not sure if a 3.1 modem = would make a difference in their case, but it's possible. > > Upload Queue > name=3D"cake-nat-doc-up" kind=3Dcake cake-bandwidth=3D0bps = cake-overhead=3D18 > cake-mpu=3D64 cake-overhead-scheme=3Ddocsis cake-rtt=3D100ms > cake-diffserv=3Ddiffserv4 cake-flowmode=3Dtriple-isolate = cake-nat=3Dyes > cake-wash=3Dno cake-ack-filter=3Dfilter >0bps ? >with docsis framing you should be able to just say 10mbit, rather than = 9. >cake-ack-filter=3Dfilter ? does it have filter-aggressive? A quirk of how you can configure the queue on the router. You can = specify the bandwidth limit in the general queue configuration or the = configuration for the queue type you're using. Configuration now looks = something like this: name=3D"cake-nat-doc-up" kind=3Dcake cake-bandwidth=3D10.0Mbps = cake-overhead=3D18=20 cake-mpu=3D64 cake-overhead-scheme=3Ddocsis cake-rtt=3D100ms=20 cake-diffserv=3Ddiffserv4 cake-flowmode=3Dtriple-isolate = cake-nat=3Dyes=20 cake-wash=3Dno cake-ack-filter=3Daggressive=20 name=3D"cake-nat-doc" kind=3Dcake cake-bandwidth=3D110.0Mbps = cake-overhead=3D18=20 cake-mpu=3D64 cake-overhead-scheme=3Ddocsis cake-rtt=3D100ms=20 cake-diffserv=3Ddiffserv4 cake-flowmode=3Dtriple-isolate = cake-nat=3Dyes=20 cake-wash=3Dno cake-ack-filter=3Dnone And yes, there is the aggressive filter. > > Download Queue > name=3D"cake-nat-doc" kind=3Dcake cake-bandwidth=3D0bps = cake-overhead=3D18 > cake-mpu=3D64 cake-overhead-scheme=3Ddocsis cake-rtt=3D100ms > cake-diffserv=3Ddiffserv4 cake-flowmode=3Dtriple-isolate = cake-nat=3Dyes > cake-wash=3Dno cake-ack-filter=3Dnone >It looks like your provisioned rate was closer to 120. Try 110. I increased the bandwidth as seen above. We'll see how that behaves! > Hopefully those settings are configured somewhat decently. Hope that = helps! > > Jordan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:51 PM > To: Jordan Szuch > Cc: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > goferit! We have flent servers throughout the world, mostly = undocumented. I tend to prefer folk setup their own, less noise in the = data.... > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't really = run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in the = Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be = sufficient? > > > > Jordan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat = wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a = unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do = some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do = a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems = functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and = WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any = information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run = then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bloat On Behalf Of=20 > > > Dave Taht > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > To: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake=20 > > > recently > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000 > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bloat mailing list > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies:=20 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC