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3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Cake] Re: vpn as wan interface on freshtomato, other fiber I control as wan interface for freshtomato (which uses cake) List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi, since you seem to be concerned about a legal issue, you really should be = talking to a lawyer versed in the respective law of your country, I have = a hunch, that copy right infringement is still copy right infringement = independent of rate. About the technical issue, you would need some DPI to semi-reliably = detect p2p applications (sure well behaved ones might use specific known = ports, but you seem to be after not-well-behaved ones as well) and then = some marking/QoS trickery to steer such flows into suitable capacity = tiers, and you would need to do this for ingress traffic. Side stepping = the legal issues, I would look into qosify/luci-app-qosify and QoSmateb = as starting points for OpenWrt, or given you seem to be acting as ISP = maybe even LibreQoS (which will not solve the special-casing p2p issue = by itself, but might be a decent way to manage your low/mid hundreds of = users). > On Aug 24, 2026, at 01:04, le berger des photons = wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I've been using tomato for 20 years. Just started using cake with > freshtomato. Most of my routers are distributing 200 to 300 gigabytes = per > day to 40 or 50 clients. >=20 > I have 9 different fibre optics, each capable of 1 gigabit/second. I = use > less than 100 megabits per second for each ot them. >=20 > It occurs to me that I could perhaps benefit by putting a fast = computer on > one of the fibers and having the other eight fibers' routers pull = their wan > interface from that one fiber. >=20 > I saw that using cake with 8 qos priorities still left people with = huge > bandwidth on priority 8. >=20 > When I was using SQM, I set the speed limits on each class. I would = use a > rule to limit all p2p protocols to that low speed. >=20 > Now using cake, I'm concerned that an illegal downloader could cause = me > problems. >=20 > When I knew it would take a week to get a film, I didn't worry about = it. >=20 > Please tell me if you think what I've written represents the real = world at > all as opposed to a likely massive grouping of bad assumptions and > misunderstandings on my part. >=20 > thanks >=20 > On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:25=E2=80=AFAM = wrote: >=20 >> Send Cake mailing list submissions to >> cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>=20 >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or >> body 'help' to >> cake-request@lists.bufferbloat.net >>=20 >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> cake-owner@lists.bufferbloat.net >>=20 >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Cake digest..." >>=20 >> Today's Topics: >>=20 >> 1. "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically >> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi" >> (Frantisek Borsik) >> 2. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL = specifically >> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi" >> (Tom Herbert) >> 3. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL = specifically >> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi" >> (Frantisek Borsik) >> 4. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL = specifically >> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi" >> (Frantisek Borsik) >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2026 23:54:14 +0200 >> From: Frantisek Borsik >> Subject: [Cake] "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL >> specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over = Wi-Fi" >> To: bloat , Cake List >> , = codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, >> Make-Wifi-fast >> Message-ID: >> < >> CAJUtOOgcb1bhwCAtx3yLg3umNR9ws_NHxfpchfyRBtCZYv2Leg@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" >>=20 >> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy." >>=20 >> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624 >> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948 >>=20 >> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3 >>=20 >> All the best, >>=20 >> Frank >>=20 >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>=20 >>=20 >> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>=20 >> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>=20 >>=20 >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>=20 >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>=20 >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>=20 >> Skype: casioa5302ca >>=20 >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: St Pavl >> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35=E2=80=AFPM >> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely* >> To: >>=20 >>=20 >> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching. >> St Pavl sppmaster >> August 23 >>=20 >> ka2107: >>=20 >> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver >>=20 >> vochong: >>=20 >> No, it=E2=80=99s not yet supported in ath11k driver. >>=20 >> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris >> . >>=20 >> Qualcommax NSS Build >> = Community >> Builds, Projects & Packages >> >>=20 >> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically = allowed me >> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): = Wi-Fi >> download rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via = cpu_port_rate, >> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. = Wi-Fi >> upload rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired. = Classification =E2=80=94 >> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the = switch >> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> Let it be in memory of @dtaht , he >> would >> have been happy. >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> Visit Topic >> = or >> reply to this email to respond. >>=20 >> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here >> < >> = https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136= ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb >>>=20 >> . >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2026 14:57:59 -0700 >> From: Tom Herbert >> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. >> AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat = over >> Wi-Fi" >> To: Frantisek Borsik >> Cc: bloat , Cake List >> , = codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, >> Make-Wifi-fast >> Message-ID: >> < >> CALx6S34Qvuer6Zt19JYHYOsG-JYHozGphGNTd9B1Gk9GTimP+w@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" >>=20 >> Fantastic! >>=20 >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik = >>=20 >> wrote: >>=20 >>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy." >>>=20 >>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624 >>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948 >>>=20 >>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3 >>>=20 >>> All the best, >>>=20 >>> Frank >>>=20 >>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>>=20 >>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>=20 >>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>=20 >>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>=20 >>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>=20 >>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: St Pavl >>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35=E2=80=AFPM >>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely* >>> To: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching. >>> St Pavl sppmaster >>> August 23 >>>=20 >>> ka2107: >>>=20 >>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver >>>=20 >>> vochong: >>>=20 >>> No, it=E2=80=99s not yet supported in ath11k driver. >>>=20 >>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris >>> . >>>=20 >>> Qualcommax NSS Build >>> = Community >>> Builds, Projects & Packages >>> >>>=20 >>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically = allowed >> me >>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): = Wi-Fi >>> download rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via = cpu_port_rate, >>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. = Wi-Fi >>> upload rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired. >> Classification =E2=80=94 >>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the >> switch >>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht , = he >>> would >>> have been happy. >>> ------------------------------ >>>=20 >>> Visit Topic >>> = or >>> reply to this email to respond. >>>=20 >>> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here >>> < >>>=20 >> = https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136= ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb >>>>=20 >>> . >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 00:16:32 +0200 >> From: Frantisek Borsik >> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. >> AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat = over >> Wi-Fi" >> To: Tom Herbert >> Cc: bloat , Cake List >> , = codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, >> Make-Wifi-fast >> Message-ID: >> > yCC7sPsk1wm5GSnudKcBYQ@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" >>=20 >> And I found the guy https://github.com/JuliusBairaktaris - great = stuff! >>=20 >> All the best, >>=20 >> Frank >>=20 >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>=20 >>=20 >> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>=20 >> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>=20 >>=20 >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>=20 >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>=20 >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>=20 >> Skype: casioa5302ca >>=20 >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:58=E2=80=AFPM Tom Herbert = wrote: >>=20 >>> Fantastic! >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik < >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy." >>>>=20 >>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624 >>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948 >>>>=20 >>>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3 >>>>=20 >>>> All the best, >>>>=20 >>>> Frank >>>>=20 >>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>>>=20 >>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>>=20 >>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>>=20 >>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>>=20 >>>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>>=20 >>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: St Pavl >>>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35=E2=80=AFPM >>>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely* >>>> To: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching. >>>> St Pavl sppmaster >>>> August 23 >>>>=20 >>>> ka2107: >>>>=20 >>>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver >>>>=20 >>>> vochong: >>>>=20 >>>> No, it=E2=80=99s not yet supported in ath11k driver. >>>>=20 >>>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris >>>> . >>>>=20 >>>> Qualcommax NSS Build >>>> >> Community >>>> Builds, Projects & Packages >>>> >>>>=20 >>>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically = allowed >> me >>>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): = Wi-Fi >>>> download rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via = cpu_port_rate, >>>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. = Wi-Fi >>>> upload rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired. >> Classification >>>> =E2=80=94 >>>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything = the >>>> switch >>>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which=E2=80=A6 >>>>=20 >>>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht , = he >>>> would >>>> have been happy. >>>> ------------------------------ >>>>=20 >>>> Visit Topic >>>> = or >>>> reply to this email to respond. >>>>=20 >>>> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here >>>> < >>>>=20 >> = https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136= ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb >>>>>=20 >>>> . >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 00:35:29 +0200 >> From: Frantisek Borsik >> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. >> AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat = over >> Wi-Fi" >> To: Tom Herbert >> Cc: bloat , Cake List >> , = codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, >> Make-Wifi-fast >> Message-ID: >> > 6PB02GX+xyZQQ@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" >>=20 >> This guy is s!ck: https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/24806 >> Nice. >>=20 >> All the best, >>=20 >> Frank >>=20 >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>=20 >>=20 >> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>=20 >> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>=20 >>=20 >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>=20 >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>=20 >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>=20 >> Skype: casioa5302ca >>=20 >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:16=E2=80=AFAM Frantisek Borsik < >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote: >>=20 >>> And I found the guy https://github.com/JuliusBairaktaris - great = stuff! >>>=20 >>> All the best, >>>=20 >>> Frank >>>=20 >>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>>=20 >>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>=20 >>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>=20 >>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>=20 >>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>=20 >>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:58=E2=80=AFPM Tom Herbert = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Fantastic! >>>>=20 >>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik < >>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy." >>>>>=20 >>>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624 >>>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948 >>>>>=20 >>>>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3 >>>>>=20 >>>>> All the best, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Frank >>>>>=20 >>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> *In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: *1965-2025 >>>>>=20 >>>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>>>=20 >>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>>>=20 >>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>>>=20 >>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: St Pavl >>>>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35=E2=80=AFPM >>>>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely* >>>>> To: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching. >>>>> St Pavl sppmaster >>>>> August 23 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ka2107: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver >>>>>=20 >>>>> vochong: >>>>>=20 >>>>> No, it=E2=80=99s not yet supported in ath11k driver. >>>>>=20 >>>>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris >>>>> . >>>>>=20 >>>>> Qualcommax NSS Build >>>>> >> Community >>>>> Builds, Projects & Packages >>>>> = >>>>>=20 >>>>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically = allowed >>>>> me >>>>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): = Wi-Fi >>>>> download rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via >> cpu_port_rate, >>>>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. >> Wi-Fi >>>>> upload rate =E2=80=94 shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired. >>>>> Classification =E2=80=94 >>>>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything = the >>>>> switch >>>>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht , = he >>>>> would >>>>> have been happy. >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Visit Topic >>>>> = >> or >>>>> reply to this email to respond. >>>>>=20 >>>>> To unsubscribe from these emails, click here >>>>> < >>>>>=20 >> = https://forum.openwrt.org/email/unsubscribe/63176a97a41cd337964dd910126136= ea6582eb2df8d36cb858ecae37bbf44efb >>>>>>=20 >>>>> . >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> Subject: Digest Footer >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------ >>=20 >> End of Cake Digest, Vol 131, Issue 6 >> ************************************ >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list -- cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to cake-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net