From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EA3F21F662 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hms-beagle.home.lan ([217.247.221.45]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LZynd-1acGZN1KE1-00ll4t; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:51:40 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:51:38 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04D2C674-5C3D-443A-96E0-62B203F845FE@gmx.de> References: <6F86FBB0-AA69-44F3-82D0-31465906974D@gmx.de> <56657A82.2080601@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:dyJ1ImwkXMNqMf+QemXYqliRYFyryyYUuGnYoIQTAUdFRuXnc9P b79L4p8BKJ9ETfr9dJoR70z0bbLFi8Z6Fwn9QRM46Tn0TsxcStCaMYGc79v6Ydm5aJh9Q9g d77ysmsLrJ6z3Gx/lLOp27iQJ0XpTi/BUdhXxcumLHRxpuzK6U57trwrZDWa9dzvdZBZlwZ +DaMxwBB+rj90bQmAT62w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:xzC5bp57LRI=:7hJVfFg0O9a5POb6v8S8sh PKg7uYeGnjhqbH+ttP4g8+XYtaDL5s5TjKpIeUdFkyhg1u050dSssurYjis93GtJo9WciJbB6 zQ4Mj9OyFo39elSTjqOttRUVZxO0j2TaVIlcEIGdJn9W8pLgLSXgLc1TVjJ40NASfdx6dILCy mKq3Y+Gx2tapGLz+y5yfHB95VlZe7L/9bMHi9OOxvuDofpZ4V9a86mKgNKLRr9oMacBbvrn9+ vNaghc1I7F9rYEOw2onrCr4gaATQg1Z/VdG5P/lXyFsrvMeDRoIOBWTm3NABRjumWmMJ+w6KH UTcJ6ow2tasf5U/zEkZZRe7kL1pHAhfeoCR9LoCm/jAi6r/Tbt4sBsl9CoeO+3Ca3RqVscVvD f59b6eaYict73uchm+nY3L3uB9VQ2tTwCmmsBpmxmg/I8GHapDcHkqaZ3XGXz40Qpjdi52kkU sQSTsUh6HxQ+XGvXrHjFD0qtqrm+RbXyvzrg8bgCloEVOmjgbaPN+ziytnEGKg/kDOjTdFajH z77VSgR/4TRQhvrEe4YGnKXjKL6T/Qxx2cYom7CUgdgsP+1nemtDTNmqfjAC2jTka9N2/8ngK rcUo9EbcnoadZRSqw/RIBHA9uesNQkS3vvmyAR9dQIkGx/b1HYlqxr8cV/SZbYO3Her8CO0wf YZke9pr1M3znnyKtv+EBzPOEJ8Y4ddPPdKWexsiTGN5VC0JMAjDR25rTiRs2ZE9zYzCKO1A5f S48ufWE+pLzcX9z5OQoXWwxVXHE6DOVOu87QShybsqzZae9j7Eyuu9sV1nkw/ZeZ8xCBuxDBt wM8+J0P Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cake] second system syndrome X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:52:08 -0000 > [...] > After the GRO code is proven I'd rip out sebastian's treasured last > packet size stat, too. Sad ;). But didn=E2=80=99t your numbers comparing bcake versus = cake show that all of the additional statistics cost nothing, at least = on the arm platform? I know that my focus on per-paket overhead looks a = bit peculiar, but since there was a niche at the time, I occupied it ;) = and now I am going to defend my turf.=20 Could I argue here with an appeal to authority then, and make cake = report the same stats as fq_codel does (I assume Eric had good reasons = for each of the stats, it is purely accidental that fq_codel reports = maxpackets ;) : qdisc fq_codel 130: dev ifb4pppoe-ge00 parent 1:13 limit 1001p flows = 1024 quantum 300 target 5.0ms interval 100.0ms ecn=20 Sent 1326934 bytes 974 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)=20 backlog 0b 0p requeues 0=20 maxpacket 1538 drop_overlimit 0 new_flow_count 37 ecn_mark 0 new_flows_len 1 old_flows_len 7=20 > I might rip out all the dscp models in favor of > the 3 tier sqm one. Why 3? I actually want 4 in sqm (basically a thin network = control layer (#1) on top of en elevated priority (#2) on top of = best-effort(#3) and background (#4)), why? I need a place to stuff a few = things like PPP control packets into with minimal delay. > I'd go back to 32 bits for codel. Why? Due to the cost on 32 bit platforms or just on principle? >=20 > My cup overfloweth. My job at the moment is to move the bloat related > sites elsewhere before isc turns the power off next week. You rock; it is incredible that you basically carried most of = the infrastructure and administration on top of pushing the de-bloat = effort. All I can offer is simply to keep helping people startup with = sqm-scripts and tinker a bit with the sqm-scripts machinery (basically = =E2=80=9Cprototyping=E2=80=9D stuff along until it catches Toke=E2=80=99s = attention and he fixes things for good ;) ) My hope for cake always was, = to make helping people get started easier, any additional better = performance is sugar on top. Best Regards Sebastian > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake