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[185.99.119.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q3sm665758wrd.78.2017.11.16.00.41.43 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Nov 2017 00:41:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E296C072-69FC-4F80-B83E-6B508FD5B7AE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <1510785636.2769508.1173964216.79EA5FB4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:41:41 +0100 Cc: Dave Taht , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-Id: <04E23FF2-29C7-4C89-B6AA-8466951FD3CB@gmail.com> References: <87vaic8vv1.fsf@nemesis.taht.net> <87bmk372du.fsf_-_@nemesis.taht.net> <87lgj75m74.fsf@nemesis.taht.net> <1510777703.2726870.1173824208.148E1D2D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <246DB6BC-8045-47F6-8719-8CBDE3E776AD@gmail.com> <1510785636.2769508.1173964216.79EA5FB4@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Nils Andreas Svee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] Cake upstream Planning X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:41:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E296C072-69FC-4F80-B83E-6B508FD5B7AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks for that info. I went ahead and added a feature request, in case = anyway wants to add some kudos to it: = https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Feature-Requests/Upgrade-Linux-kerne= l-to-at-least-4-4/idi-p/2140663 > On Nov 15, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Nils Andreas Svee = wrote: >=20 > Mostly because of the Cavium and MediaTek SDKs yes. However in my = quest to use a newer kernel I found that EdgeOS/Vyatta uses UnionFS = which is not supported on newer kernels than 3.16, so that's gotta be = fixed first too. In VyOS they've solved this by using UnionFS-Fuse. >=20 > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017, at 21:58, Pete Heist wrote: >>=20 >>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Nils Andreas Svee > wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017, at 21:19, Dave Taht wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> There=E2=80=99s also been a Cake support feature request hanging = around in the EdgeOS >>>>> forums for a while after Lochnair=E2=80=99s successful work to get = it built for the >>>>> EdgeRouter firmware: >>>>>=20 >>>>> = https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Feature-Requests/Cake-shaper-support= /idi-p/1885749 = >>>>=20 >>>> I had viewed those folk as a key path to commercialization. They = have >>>> a great user community and great products. >>>>=20 >>>>> Maybe this would help get it pushed through into a device that I = think has >>>>> pretty wide deployment=E2=80=A6 >>>>=20 >>>> The problem is, they were stuck on kernel 3.10, when last I looked = and >>>> oy... >>>>=20 >>>> I keep hoping we can get cavium to pay attention directly. >>> Sadly they're still stuck 3.10. The next FW will be based on the >>> 3.10.107 kernel, instead of 3.10.14/3.10.20. So that's something, = but >>> it's still ancient and EOL. >>=20 >>=20 >> Is the tie to 3.10 due to the dependency on the Cavium SDK for = hardware support? >>=20 >> Surprisingly I don=E2=80=99t see a feature request so far for a newer = kernel, at least among the first half dozen pages or so: >>=20 >> = https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Feature-Requests/idb-p/EdgeMAX_Ideas= /tab/most-kudoed = >>=20 > Best Regards > Nils >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E296C072-69FC-4F80-B83E-6B508FD5B7AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Thanks for that info. I went ahead and added = a feature request, in case anyway wants to add some kudos to = it:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Feature-Requests/Upgrade-= Linux-kernel-to-at-least-4-4/idi-p/2140663

On Nov 15, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Nils Andreas Svee <me@lochnair.net> = wrote:

Mostly because of the Cavium and = MediaTek SDKs yes. However in my quest to use a newer kernel I found = that EdgeOS/Vyatta uses UnionFS which is not supported on newer kernels = than 3.16, so that's gotta be fixed first too. In VyOS they've solved = this by using UnionFS-Fuse.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017, at 21:58, Pete Heist wrote:

=
On = Nov 15, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Nils Andreas Svee <nils@stokkdalen.no> = wrote:

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017, at = 21:19, Dave Taht wrote:

=
There=E2=80=99s = also been a Cake support feature request hanging around in the EdgeOS
forums for a while after Lochnair=E2=80=99s successful = work to get it built for the
EdgeRouter firmware:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Feature-Requests/Cake-sha= per-support/idi-p/1885749

I had viewed those folk as a key path to = commercialization. They have
a great user community and great products.

Maybe this would = help get it pushed through into a device that I think has
pretty wide deployment=E2=80=A6

The problem is, they were stuck on kernel 3.10, when = last I looked and
oy...

I keep hoping we can get cavium to pay attention = directly.
Sadly they're still stuck 3.10. The next FW = will be based on the
3.10.107 kernel, instead of 3.10.14/3.10.20. So that's = something, but
it's still ancient and EOL.

Is the tie to 3.10 due to the dependency on the Cavium = SDK for hardware support?

Surprisingly I don=E2=80=99t see a feature request so = far for a newer kernel, at least among the first half dozen pages or = so:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Feature-Requests/idb-p/Ed= geMAX_Ideas/tab/most-kudoed

Best Regards
Nils


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