From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEB6A3CB35; Fri, 1 May 2020 15:48:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1588362525; bh=GAKziKX01q9Uvo6xbXPEgnZnPLPuhUn54bMPzWwtlnc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=dmpV//OdsyVaT6LZjD1CK9Kerr4SLFqO/rY0RnoyjhGi070uWDWDta3Hcsjz75R7o MkZLXh0B4Kc7TwJN8VyuoA1vKg4rHfAza0nOVcLUh1u7t8TiktKfXPS/aicBxbSuY3 RNyQkz+gJBq8/W/HYTOrp/VF/s8i6u57NqXDveZU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.42.222] ([77.10.170.135]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mz9Z5-1jIHl815aF-00wDVv; Fri, 01 May 2020 21:48:45 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:48:43 +0200 Cc: bloat , cerowrt-devel , Make-Wifi-fast , Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <05410663-5E50-4CF5-8ADE-3BBB985E32B1@gmx.de> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XSj6Fw37Lt9IhcoRNKNGkQyGYeeceJDSfIGsm1BqyP1zGKLCK7s bw159US2rWL06mTpj+gK2oXo9B50IoLmSuxH8xiDHVpoY28xKQ03lpj1Atm+t4NtPzL8T5e OizJB2Xj/tqbwV8TbvBJilj0hfiMQVq/IRMDtmce4+49Fs6/A90Ypx89mAdjOMsYahOTsPQ MfXYpZMhvvq1UPwgJ6iSQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:MZQrOTqcdTw=:/bSJH2MfXLbpIBermw76TX yRujDUbHlA6mJwPqg/qjCf5ovxcE3X65c/X0ZdERbEV/rfx7Z7/FTsaWXlf4Ww5HyywOI91En G8TP34lRxZLGbYkUrtTD0u4chX1xv7UpKtK7yWp9+t5Qfm+jHEOoNvNTgf+gKffmneFlgidb7 Rtu9r+I6hy9zFH92KO/BHNG0pKTzBGTp4B4j8WAMAu4xUR/m9D4gJ8kDaLTtsyou0owRbPYU2 YtT7rrQ0gRX6VYLGe3puxVIICoQe60A/BDUGUHeddO1JgBIAUxRWyiKjDaDgmPvq8VQO1aeNM ZOZ9+y4oW/6FySuIPknjY3X5QaaEJCJUmil1Kw9Nty5Oy2HbczYO8rVYUtfEN0iTAU+RQL+qo JyACc5MFryPTj7pByUOUXFsu0byGKvNZIy7S1DbNosgRKRHzLkV5BlNe3mrUY9DadHIhmDp7+ qU3/eptCjBbrwwl8RLaJhPviFnH7d7jq1LfBJ1Vn1ndAOjgckudp2FMrolA2iiIS8mmB/Qdop W2WHubW1TXir2gD/4lYJYvI3QzVdvIHHNBqwmjttX2OF12iodaxnb/tTdVXJ3xP1enUmD+sFw Bd0BrFlqi3FJGdeIGYVH6lSY2QD4ftCcfWc+6D5TexvpZ4sKz51NU0A+SjNXygDs3owK3A5SA fv/qtrGO3ynw44KtoXu/lNRnn0czRAHlT2FvXZUZF0ZAWNo4Woa88ekqsFzVLxmCAetziGDuL KkzUegV3lXSK5eR9+dULvyi/R3OGyjhp3zSQptlsHt9VuVU9sKauCWkZEXsqg2AHRK97tfOyD 0fO17xEt7Fukb6k7vJMy/Zwpyxu1U0MuKtozotZyCKhFiTOaktyYj8HF9mre9WKhimNuoGa/h 1hjIHBzb/pWI1l01ZDqYhLXM3iYSmTu8T+v2d0uN1fe5sY4PjkXbxfsw1b0j4oMQulxZqOvk7 pbSSpRyAwkstuKAYQWOGN56RYUdfZtVMybrLzXCDEyROUtIrEgFB0zJFyjjaHFAvRkZIg0DR9 2DGLKZdBBkhWJftJrF+BOLPOEpcJ7rtNICuvePv0LkkxZ+62cwZdLQOgskrCGeJDD5ew+2KcN HOq6X5wXk735hF+iRJ7CliB9cU7EaWrxlXdKa1XsixjjeVabSZYJ5R2ojfxZcIIJHIf0FosfZ SgYlGmdGKDdU+z+hWZ/QJxyos2yqfH7jtKU3BjNxjJu3RNyC2daZkODWWLwtNEcLKUER9/1zv nck7S2DCBtcjPHCgL Subject: Re: [Cake] dslreports is no longer free X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 19:48:52 -0000 Hi Dave, well, it was a free service and it lasted a long time. I want to raise a = toast to Justin and convey my sincere thanks for years of investing into = the "good" of the internet.=20 Now, the question is which test is going to be the rightful successor?=20= Short of running netperf/irtt/iper2/iperf3 on a hosted server, I see = lots of potential but none of the tests are really there yet (grievances = in now particular order): OOKLA: speedtest.net. Pros: ubiquitious, allows selection of single flow versus = multi-flow test, allows server selection Cons: only IPv4, only static unloaded RTT measurement, no = control over measurement duration BUFFERBLOAT verdict: incomplete, maybe usable as load generator NETFLIX: fast.com. Pros: allows selection of upload testing, supposedly decent = back-end, duration configurable allows unloaded, loaded download and loaded upload RTT = measurements (but reports sinlge numbers for loaded and unloaded RTT, = that are not the max) Cons: RTT report as two numbers one for the loaded and one for = unloaded RTT, time-course of RTTs missing BUFFERBLOAT verdict: incomplete, but oh, so close... NPERF: nperf.com Pros: allows server selection, RTT measurement and report as = time course, also reports average rates and static RTT/jitter for Up- = and Download Cons: RTT measurement for unloaded only, reported RTT static = only , no control over measurement duration BUFFERBLOAT verdict: incomplete, THINKBROADBAND: www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest Pros: IPv6, reports coarse RTT time courses for all three = measurement phases Cons: only static unloaded RTT report in final results, time = courses only visible immediately after testing, no control over = measurement duration BUFFERBLOAT verdict: a bit coarse, might work for users within a = reasonable distance to the UK for acute de-bloating sessions (history = reporting is bad though) honorable mentioning: BREITBANDMESSUNG: breitbandmessung.de Pros: query of contracted internet access speed before = measurement, with a scheduler that will only start a test when the = backend has sufficient capacity to saturate the user-supplied contracted = rates, IPv6 (happy-eyeballs) Cons: only static unloaded RTT measurement, no control over = measurement duration BUFFERBLOAT verdict: unsuitable, exceot as load generator, but = the bandwidth reservation feature is quite nice. Best Regards Sebastian > On May 1, 2020, at 18:44, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > = https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/gbd6g0/dsl_reports_speed_= test_no_longer_free/ >=20 > They ran out of bandwidth. >=20 > Message to users here: >=20 > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Make Music, Not War >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake