From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-x235.google.com (mail-lb0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC27521F306 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbzk7 with SMTP id zk7so46501002lbb.0 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:52:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=J48YcpeXzN/6pmLDm4oqSnm0j9mU1CqS+g4MheXeE/I=; b=l4kOhtvcSjOoeX12E8FZGt5aYD4uO9+nt7FjBfu5JAHDNb6JLdSLRktoeZP+ZckbmO B+U4Abp5Vjly/CKCcoKRSefspFz4ihRq7HPWwwkhY08zOKcX/ejnkqO8cfglPRIUh+gx BEmn+ifZ1nsW6mQkgrxBkjtYgaiDGX7E8/kw6Gf0T9kAJlSPr6SpBbQuXvwhTL05DqVL MFCtxPDu8btkXyZVSrzY/e79xINHavW0xqSteASUsonl6zUKGnCSVnHr16fJHcU2ud3P rpNElF0+QMZ/JNt1aXgXFgN5xwGHEza2rFIIhK/pZDOnESriJBQmgY3vDS4P9lM4f0Jv CLkw== X-Received: by 10.152.87.46 with SMTP id u14mr10653895laz.82.1428879154103; Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (87-93-27-145.bb.dnainternet.fi. [87.93.27.145]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id py10sm40005lbb.34.2015.04.12.15.52.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 01:52:27 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1463D1E1-794F-4998-9032-9CACE15D8E27@gmail.com> References: To: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Subject: Re: [Cake] cake exploration X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 22:53:05 -0000 > On 11 Apr, 2015, at 21:48, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > 15) Needs to work so an ISP can create service classes for their = customers >=20 > DRR 1: cake bandwidth X > DRR 2: cake bandwidth Y > DRR 3: >=20 > I have no idea whether this can work at all, last I tried it DRR would > stall everytime fq_codel had no packets to deliver. Sounds like a classful version of cake. I may have mentioned the need = for something like it before, myself. Actually, I think the required algorithms were already in cake1. The = key point is that you must track the backlog per class, and only accept = the bandwidth grant from a class if there=E2=80=99s a backlog to service = with it. Even then, I had to backtrack if Codel goes and drops the last = packet in the class, so that I could either select another class or = reschedule the timer. Cake3 simplifies that slightly, in that the =E2=80=9Creschedule the = timer=E2=80=9D option is taken care of before class selection begins. - Jonathan Morton=