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From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk>
Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cake] Why are target & interval increased on the reduced bandwidth tins?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 16:40:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1A34E9D8-C6FD-4E09-866F-DB30F73D6ABC@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8ABBBE20-5045-41CF-967A-CD8961400ABE@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk>

Hi Kevin,

so the way codel is designed target is best understood as a function of interval (allowing 5-10% of interval as standing queue allows a fine trade-off between bandwidth utilization and latency under load increase).
Now, interval is basically akin to the time you are willing to give a flow to react to signals, it should be in the same order of magnitude as the path RTT. Now reducing the bandwidth allocation for a traffic class will increase its saturation load RTT and hence increasing the target seems justified; target just follows along due to still wanting a reasonable bandwidth/latency trade-off.
So in short these scale the shaper to work well under loaded conditions. But Jonathan & Toke will be able to give the real explanation ;)

Best Regards
	Sebastian



> On Jun 24, 2020, at 16:33, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> Genuine question.  For the reduced bandwidth tins in diffserv3/4/8 a different rate and hence different target & interval values are also calculated.  I get why a target/interval calculation is desirable for the ‘main’ tin - this forms a ‘best case’ of how long each byte takes to transmit and is fundamental to the shaper.  What I’m less clear on is why increased targets & intervals are used for the reduced threshold tins.
> 
> To my mind it means those tins can be more ‘bursty’ before codel jumps on them.  That’s possibly ok on an egress path but I’m not so convinced on an ingress path.
> 
> Please point out the error in my thinking!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Kevin D-B
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-24 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-24 14:33 Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2020-06-24 14:40 ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2020-06-25 13:40   ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2020-06-25 20:42     ` Jonathan Morton

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