From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com (mail-lj1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A98C73CB35 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id a17so2180070ljd.4 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:10:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=oorm/ntOTU3bgHNXRnAlXRMwCBt49hh3aMIk/I1YX9U=; b=MCI5QEkGSruwDLSgdvVdc+HFg8jJlEtTDlVOV2RaL2gLlJhlJ42jDYrVL7R/sE8Cr3 gK+xTMUZMLW5y+NCK4qAJ7Zt25qf1sp3iwtmVtftXJm4ffaeersZ+gqKjV+3GALuC2a9 11CfZ7Cc4gyh5J37ClSoRx0TDAHV0+6RYG4kzwDDP9qahwAhaFSk7c8Me5bc0wN9xAGi muGQFA5MO4MJh2w0HXDwmVE0t89hq8tkDaovDvC2I/4j9uzONL+KJ7XwI6VpVGCUXsxa S8CS5ylfKTZtcW2uwQljwFwwSS4uhsZrDJNMZ99oDK2cCBX28Mr66CTEz8LxT+cDnl0I tXhA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=oorm/ntOTU3bgHNXRnAlXRMwCBt49hh3aMIk/I1YX9U=; b=L/Zqc/N/iDcqGgCRt1HbKWm3rViYQTfnAhdC5hRm6W+AWzxPRstULWnSGyFg9LaNg5 B+xP4y/6PmkqMxsBg0x9Hr9WC6HanT9WOfE47Fiqk4bdl9vVbxn7lpIxMrEJXK7neEYn Uob4PzxlcvUpquzkPS5YmJykXvH58rJfEM5lom/asjUH7LznY1D+Kqra+3o2AhhwcZMX 9dtEQG5TrxiqoV+yDKq47NEiiFWDrLfkqSTUICwVCxUVTgUEJMGuvZuyY4EfWlFciZsM ozV6xjfpRiGl0sYOxoPwe/oOW4R8orT8ZlzpXjD38QVeq0itxk19oIjkk0vP/6scpuOG 4RmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBG5REuBITtGWxNCbqbmZ9yrjp8GQStUbGQwLYZomWb8QmKO9k J8rWUuSFs2MgZTYRJF82T5U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzXta9JvWqy9fDJRGr+QNbrmsDeffEg1aQoWurB/Xr4o6A1NtwxJTCrqq77XCa50AsU/i0rMw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:2165:: with SMTP id h98mr8221840ljh.117.1551629404427; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-234-216-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.234.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k7sm476960lfg.43.2019.03.03.08.10.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:10:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <5C8177FD-2605-4CDD-9AA2-F0E5AF9C779B@heistp.net> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:10:02 +0200 Cc: Sebastian Moeller , =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen_via_Cake?= , George Amanakis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1C81557C-2FD5-4C48-BC17-F9E841D08097@gmail.com> References: <72193310-7502-47B8-9554-7F8F9FA23204@heistp.net> <874l8mn9iy.fsf@toke.dk> <417E17B2-17F7-4106-A92D-C5B5AC41D808@gmx.de> <5CC769AC-AD0C-40E8-BFCA-6AD2A8162FFC@gmail.com> <49A8FB42-EC0B-41B7-8CE4-888DF3C2A88D@gmx.de> <542D3BC3-317A-4F3E-A5B6-16FF678DDFAC@gmail.com> <5C8177FD-2605-4CDD-9AA2-F0E5AF9C779B@heistp.net> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] Upstream submission of dual-mode fairness patch X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 16:10:06 -0000 > On 3 Mar, 2019, at 6:07 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > Does it say anything to you that enabling ECN makes the asymmetry go = away? Yes - it tells me that it has something directly to do with how dropped = packets are accounted for, not with the congestion response by TCP. ECN = changes the number of dropped packets, and shouldn't change the = congestion response. - Jonathan Morton