From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DABAE3B29E for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 15:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id v16-v6so8186597wmh.5 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=VLPuAd4mGLYlJXZiSkSEdAyWvab+Q8lcO89l9WBzcx8=; b=k428SXPT8wOdZq7xxPV9nl+nFbyxHk/+znYRY6r2pNBV0pSsRg/bsTQhulgN5fm9o3 8woVexEUA6URET5MLLKQMXeY6BXVGQCV2r5o1Sg18Il/pxAta5KntTi9UlBidgb2Defm 2EtDA90GoPK7QzKWWXCTYRvSXJY3FymIRtddV/cEG9iQubF3kcHbv08FPrX19TDoCtXE tLZJytGuKo2NTyNfSiEn40fBN75JjvrqoRdmyEnwlwm4Li8BCU/fynYJdH8cshdrjRWb zfjaSmbaewBaQ9yRtQtlOVkTb4+Zbftn1TBTyaJiRi6p4eZ/TzcJGK3k2KttOy/7LCCg RyeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=VLPuAd4mGLYlJXZiSkSEdAyWvab+Q8lcO89l9WBzcx8=; b=JG/qkIYDdrHnlNpEFEWCTNOUW6K+RUW3aqd1B/RZ/ZluoJHli3nsxdTffCZ7EYVnFi iHHf1lyuCySvJm5tPl6qvJo5wvKW9dH1FaO61A6s1kchc4RDr8NRbz4G1yErOV1+d6+V E+xN71LupsAsABDdGPxieo4YKZ5oEyMOJGED7ef8s227mnrAHkL2p55BcwPIhHGKVcA+ B+5B5mS6ZhgmT7UTRV7liVDHkSdRx8Auofo0G5FvMQiZD1bf7wx9iZxpsN3R4J9Qow24 CArMopLGEUmlou4AR4ElRD64NiAo/vxvLJG3WWmmb6ddcdvSiagleBQLsHInRPCPJPuc 7HRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1GMStUaArsYfhJ707OQh1zHvelIMYGlROtoDQg83v6i4T75OeD R8GMHcdMDbPNXgdPZVtiCOEGPf9yvNM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKI6guSlTBN/t60UggcY3EJlOlETEgh1craRb+U8Jb8TkrF84W72jqQsJk8LBEZJqIRGQ5XxiA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:8410:: with SMTP id g16-v6mr4530416wmd.26.1529177163025; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p38-v6sm24431321wrc.11.2018.06.16.12.26.02 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <7A2F7A22-9A94-49EE-835E-180CFBD9951D@heistp.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 21:26:01 +0200 Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1CA0B662-8D37-444E-9E18-D57CD5744EC7@heistp.net> References: <87wov5hzvq.fsf@toke.dk> <20180611125425.792d4dcc@xeon-e3> <6500246E-2382-48FD-8FC7-A15452D42042@heistp.net> <7A2F7A22-9A94-49EE-835E-180CFBD9951D@heistp.net> To: Michel Blais X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] Bandwidith rate by host instead of global while using [dual-]srchost and [dual-]dsthost X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:26:04 -0000 > On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:20 PM, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > The bottleneck is not always the wireless radio, particularly when the = link is not over-provisioned. Sorry, I wrote this incorrectly. What I mean is that when the bottleneck = _is_ the wireless radio (i.e. it=E2=80=99s not over-provisioned), soft = rate limiting (and also CoDel) can still be used to manage the queue and = improve latency under load.=