From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 360BE3B29E; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 05:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id a17so3315213ljd.4; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:10:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=BJDVoz/2yDO2MXkPkqql0xxzKtaoAzXWS5RQm42Ms4U=; b=OWqGWPDebm/4Q2xFLU3WRrOMpVJucu8JADluSH2ShlhFKECTwQpkmEjhT/3vSYE0mJ BG3cbNmiW8l7yMLWKYYYsGmG52KvD+U/MYmJLLSx0h3NQqujOJT3HdqjZj53NJ6EglLJ PjjdPq+h6ly0ghEmA5sgc59FkHrlJqYes/Ww65A9wImTpKR67hA9ibly6ei7yFeSEZnS 0V2LDEBh1wawUS9TjUyjupWe7XdT16mjhCEdV3dAW5+V+pWsFHs9e0JAhv6ZiDsx69Tj rHNyNfNuiJSINdeLeI1BStPX6UB0mer10N6wc1DOIQVcjBaoE9+ckDyr5YznDTOlE5jQ ZmIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=BJDVoz/2yDO2MXkPkqql0xxzKtaoAzXWS5RQm42Ms4U=; b=iGyAUb31hivAF0dgCc3Aiw5/HLy1g0gP/h8gLzQStpe2qQQU33D/uIhg2C4/IfI907 23FIxs2WG3P5lfngLifDYmJ7ZInkLIEi1xFUHCc6+lywpIPMm3UMZORitb5UfGaBfQbU TNPH9yCfBga6+dj0eq159+OtK/IN+AZm4YIa9fmHSUqngmnh+Aj9OdFP4zznKd624IUo gqt8gW3dvnT1C3qxSL2d4DGijc13C9KB+BtmmTMBDNbhNicNCbtjDpuU/Er2K3OmxMc2 IePnQlGgdb4qfL2d0PiZz2qj4MEM0LOKbG0NIxsN+128u0mCZLyuTPiZBKXcfB9kC28B oGIg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWYezRcpPC+9gIyKkzHKce/Rz175ahMWy9XF2GTqkxlK+N8xhjH AZvx2Z7UZEDV3sLscP/lD+g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyRJ1TazoSXZzlVbi+opQvPJ49CZ+ZLp/njQWYi0li4djliajPO8wsytSRTWf5TlSXCrhAG1w== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:12da:: with SMTP id 87mr15999671ljs.181.1552295406000; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-235-245-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.235.245]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u11sm1005837lfb.85.2019.03.11.02.10.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:10:04 +0200 Cc: Richard Scheffenegger , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat , "codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2594F939-829A-443C-B1FE-2193F870E48B@gmail.com> References: <550C0248-1704-49DA-ABDC-49A91E0AC6F3@akamai.com> <1EE25778-8571-4506-A334-38C544470ACE@gmail.com> To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] [Bloat] The "Some Congestion Experienced" ECN codepoint - a new internet draft - X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:10:07 -0000 > On 11 Mar, 2019, at 11:07 am, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > Well, I am not convinced blowing the last codepoint on SCE has enough = merit. I will make a stronger statement: I am convinced that blowing the last = codepoint on L4S does *not* have enough merit. Meanwhile, work continues. - Jonathan Morton